Capt Jas brought up an important point many of the makers are considered semi custom and one can argue the terms all you want but they basicaly offer a genric high level production gun sort of like a higher level TC tyle with more options yet sill vague enough and generic enough to usually not have any detail or traits which will connect the to the type of gun they are called. Some builders will go a bit farther n thne guns but seldom will one finsd a well researhed gun with what it takes to make it identifiabke as a tyle of gun it is claimed to be and thne needed PVC/HC elements to connect it to said gun, they are quality well made guns however. Quite often the issues lie on the buyers shoulder for not knowling what the details are and insisting that thewy be included in the gun, mnay times the builder is not the best place to look to research on the PC/HC factor. I would bet that the fast majority of these guns if shown to a long time gun student like Schumnway or the like the they could not make a determnation of wht type or where the gun came from, but would likley comment on how pretty the wood is.