Laws on Buying Lead Balls?

[Ohio Rusty]

This thread is the best reason to buy yourself the ball moulds you need and cast your own round ball and bullets. Then it doesn't amtetr what laws they try to force on the store customers.
Being independent to make you own stuff is sometimes a good thing ...........
Ohio Rusty >

 

[Lostrifle]

What's a FOID card? Is this a card that you need to carry in order to purchase ammo? How many states have something like this? I'm originally from California and thought I've heard it all.

NJ is another state run by urban liberal idiots. Firearms owner's ID required to be shown before the clerk will even show you a firearm. To buy one, you need a separate permit. Airsoft guns, by the way, are classified as firearms. So, I think, are paintball guns.
You need the ID to purchase ammunition and smokeless powder(almost nobody carries bp in the state. Insurance and storage costs, and not enough demand to offset them). Don't know about buying rb's, as I've never tried to buy any in NJ; mine all came from the other side of the western border, so far.
The difficulty of getting a firearms ID, and how long it takes, depends on where in NJ you live. In the more populated counties(Middlesex, Essex, Union, etc.) it could take a year or more. It's up to the local police authorities to grant or deny the ID, and a lot of the police honchos in these areas are very anti-firearm. I believe things are different in the southern and western counties, but not sure.

 

[Ohio Rusty]

Hopefully, Owning a flintlock in NJ should never be an issue. If allowed by law there, You order your BP via mail carrier, and if you make your own ball and knap anything that will spark (chert, flint, quarts, etc) the laws will not have an effect on you. You can always shoot. If you are doing modern things with modern components. Then of course you have restriction headaches.
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[eaglesnester]

Do not the firearms laws of NJ totally trample on the 2nd amendment? It would seem to me that if you were charged in NJ with not complying with some of their more draconian laws and were charged it would have to be thrown out in court? Has anyone challenged these laws by being arrested charged and tried?

Cheers & Tighter Groups: Eaglesnester

 

[sepiatone]

If our government required citizens to obtain a government issued "card" in order to practice freedom of speech, the ACLU would jump all over this in the courts...but when it comes to infringing on the 2nd amendment these groups always look the other way.

 

[fyrfyter43]

Hopefully, Owning a flintlock in NJ should never be an issue.

Can't even buy a flintlock in NJ without the Firearms ID. Sure glad I'm only 45 minutes from Dixon's!

 

[BV]

Ill. Residents have to possess a FOID card to buy components at retail, but you can order them through the mail from most companies without a problem. The Retailers limit their checks of your card to primers, and powder- not bullets, or Lead Balls. Those are the "Active" components that the police are worried about. The legislation is silent on this issue, BTW, but the Ill. State Police have taken it on themselves, with the help of the Ill. Attorney General, to threaten retailers with prosecution if they don't check IDs on purchasing powder, primers, and cartridges.

Who says Illinois isn't run by the Crooks?? :rotf+ OF the crooks, and FOR the crooks? )

As an officer of the court, don't you have an ethical responsibility to bring these crooks to the attention of the court? Why not file a TRO on behalf of these retailers and let the courts hash out the meaning of the statute in question?

 

[paulvallandigham]

I can't file lawsuits on my own. I have to have a client. And, I really like to be paid for my work- something uniquely American in concept, I suppose. If you can find me a paying client, I will file the lawsuit. If I were independently wealthy, which I am not, I would go after some of these crooks any legal way I could. However, this is Illinois, Now famous for " Pay to Play " politics. Its been going on in Cook County, Illinois, where I was born for more than 100 years. I have been amused at the reaction of the national press to learning that our governor was trying to find ways to turn a personal profit by picking a successor as Senator from Illinois, after Barach Obama was elected President. How can they possibly cover any politics in Illinois, and NOT HAVE known that its all about pay to play??? I chose Not to return to Cook County to practice law after finishing law school in 1972 because of all the petty corruption that goes on there, every day of the week, at all levels of government.

For example, I have a friend who has a business in Chicago that occupies a one story building, with NO basement. She recently contacted me to complain about receiving a BILL from the City Treasure for a $350.00 fee for elevator inspection! It will cost her more money to hire an attorney to fight this nonsense, than to simply pay the money. She says she gets demands for "Fees" for all kinds of services on a routine basis, with the threat of filing a lien for unpaid " taxes", if the money is not paid.

 

[TFoley]

at the risk of sounding smug, i haven't purchased 'factory loads' since about 1989. that way (among other advantages) no (insert cusswords here) government toady can check out what you have or how much you have.

not to say that this sort of insidious meddling doesn't count as an 'infringement.'

I have NEVER bought a single factory round of .308Win, 7mm Mauser, .38 or .357. I admit to buying GP11 for my Swiss collection, but then the surplus stuff is the 'real thing' and reloading for it costs at least 30% more than the milsurp.

On the other paw, I've never bought .44 ball or conical, or .451 cylindro-conoidal or ANY Whitworth. All of the last calibre ammunition was a gratefully-received gift from the Polisar Bros of Albuquerque NM. I have three left.

tac

 

[sundog]

Thank goodness I live in PA.
A note about how bad New Jersey is I went to a local PA gun show and one of the dealers had several brand spankin new Flintlock PA Hunter carbines, well I almost tore my pocket gettin my wallet out, OH BOY!
But wait, the dealer said he could not sell to me, he could only sell to a New Jersey resident with a firearms ID card- What ! We are in PA and its a flintlock.
He told me that he had to account for the sale of even flintlocks to NJ. I figured OK so I will find someone from NJ at the show and ask him to help me out - no go because then he would be in trouble for reselling it to a non ID card person.
Yup thank goodness I dont live in NJ.

 

[fyrfyter43]

Thank goodness I live in PA.
A note about how bad New Jersey is I went to a local PA gun show and one of the dealers had several brand spankin new Flintlock PA Hunter carbines, well I almost tore my pocket gettin my wallet out, OH BOY!
But wait, the dealer said he could not sell to me, he could only sell to a New Jersey resident with a firearms ID card- What ! We are in PA and its a flintlock.
He told me that he had to account for the sale of even flintlocks to NJ. I figured OK so I will find someone from NJ at the show and ask him to help me out - no go because then he would be in trouble for reselling it to a non ID card person.
Yup thank goodness I dont live in NJ.

Was the dealer from NJ? If not, that doesn't make much sense. I've bought several guns at Dixon's without any trouble/questions. Chuck and Greg both know I'm from NJ.

 

[daoliver924]

Mass calls it an FID. You don't need one for the balls (or minies) or the gun (must be 18) but you need it for powder and caps. You also need it to buy cartridge arms and modern ammo. 100 bucks for 4 years. It is the same price for a CCW.

 

[luieb45]

Wow!!! For Illinois I think it's like $25 for 5 years.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Correction: In Illinois, the Fee for a Firearms Owner's Identification Card is only $5.00, and its good for 5 years.

 

[daoliver924]

It used to be 5 dollars and good for life (CCW was 5 and good for 5 years) then they decided that wasn't enough. Even those with original lifetime cards were required to switch.

 

[colmoultrie]

Unfortunately, you'd be tried in NJ courts by judges appointed by the same idiots responsible for writing the vague, unconstitutional laws. If we get a favorable ruling in McDonald v. Chicago when the Supreme Court hears it, then things may change. Until then... :shake: :bull: :barf:

 

[Little Wattsy]

The other day I was at the farmstore and I was going to return my cva balls that I had a bad experience with and exchange for some others. I tried to return them but the cashier said they do not accept returns on ammunition. All I tried to return was a pack of roundballs, nothing else. So then I said I'll just buy the other balls and just not return the cva balls. I am only 15 and she said I have to be 18 and have a valid FOID card to buy "ammunition" which she considered roundballs as ammunition. I have bought balls at other stores and had no problems just a problem with these. Is there a law that prevents people from buying roundballs if you have no FOID card and am under 15? Thanks

Its hard to quantify stupidity....What you had was a Liberal Moron that probably couldnt tell her brain matter from Shinola. Anyway..Id 1.talk to management and 2.(if that didnt solve the problem) find a differant store to shop. 3.Might try pouring your own too.

 

[luieb45]

I don't shoot enough to want to cast my own balls. I probably only shoot 100 rounds a year.

 

[misher]

I think they will try to cut off real black powder before the lead.

 

[Little Wattsy]

I don't shoot enough to want to cast my own balls. I probably only shoot 100 rounds a year.

Well THAT might be THE problem :hmm: :grin:
Factor it this way...Lee mold is ONLY $19.99 lead is CHEAP.....It would take very little to pay for its self even at only 100 rounds a year.