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Hello,
I am very new to black powder shooting and, from my non-shooting friends, have received some negative input when it comes to lead and health. The question I have is are there any alternative metals to use for balls other than lead?

Thank you in advance!
 
Unless you're in Commiefornia, just use the lead. Wash your hands after shooting and cleaning your guns. Don't handle lead then kick your fingers, don't chew lead balls, don't cast lead indoors. Common sense and clean hygienic practices will negate the risk.

Full disclosure, I have had long term lead poisoning, my lead count was in the 70s. But, it took years of working in an environment with high lead exposure, and, most importantly, years of my own lax attitude toward prevention. Most of my exposure was indoors, and it wasn't uncommon for me to handle things with high risk of lead contamination then have a smoke, or eat a sandwich while working. Don't be like me. It is not hard to avoid lead toxicity if you are concerned about it.
 
If you're casting your own (running ball, as it is often called), you are adding to the enjoyment of the game. At least, that's what I think - you can think pretty much whatever you want.

Use common sense: wear long pants and closed toed shoes, cast out doors, and you want to upwind of the pot. I used leather gloves which are too big, so that I can snatch them off of my hands in an emergency. Of course, don't eat drink or smoke when you're casting (you probably won't have time to do this if you're running ball correctly). Eye protection is probably a good idea, and if it's warm out, you want to have a hat or a bandanna or something which will keep sweat from dripping into the pot, which will cause instant steam and a possibly very nasty splashover. I like to have a folded up towel (which stays with my casting stuff and is throw away when it's too nasty)… this is what I drop the balls on when they're coming out of the mold.

You will, of course, want to keep children and overenthusiastic pets away while you're running ball. Somewhere I read that the 'break- even' point was shooting about 1200 rounds a year, but I have the gear, it's paid for, and I've had it for over three decades, so I guess it's amortized by now. I think that running ball is great fun. It is satisfying to hit the target, and even more so when it's with a ball of my own making.

Lead is getting harder and harder to get, thanks in part to a bunch of folks who think it's bad for you (and who seem to have learned that it has to do with guns, and guns are bad, so lead is bad). Yes, if you ingest the stuff, it will hurt you … if you let your kids chew lead paint chips, it will really hurt their little developing minds. If, however, you use common sense, you will be fine.

Here's something else that will hurt you-

telling me what to do... or telling me what not to do... or otherwise trying to order me around... telling me what to eat (or not to eat) is also likely to get you moved up on the list of people whos a$$ I must eventually kick. when I get around to it.

lead is not, per se, bad for you... unless you are trapped for some inexplicable reason in the People's Republik of Californicate, in which case lead is very bad for you, all its uses are bad for you, the mere contemplation of the possession, manipulation, formation, or other use in any way or manner is bad for you, and reading this post is bad for you. the ownership of anything that goes bang is very bad for you, as is the desire to own, possess or use anything that goes bang... reading about anything that goes bang is so bad for you that is (or soon will be) strictly forbidden, as is the possession of this post in any form (if, by the way, you are stuck in the PRC, my name is John Smith, and I was never here).

enjoy running ball :)
 
I am very new to black powder shooting and, from my non-shooting friends, have received some negative input when it comes to lead and health. The question I have is are there any alternative metals to use for balls other than lead?

Yes there are, and they are expensive, and when it comes to shooting, they won't protect your health. They will protect you from criminal charges under environmental laws in a very few states.

The lead that is a problem for most people is Lead Oxide. It's a white powder that makes great pigment for white paint, and white paint makes a great base for other colors, HENCE the reason lead got into paint, and why today titanium oxide which is also white (the white stuff lifeguards put on their noses to stop the sun) is now used for white paint, and in the past was used on the chicken in McNuggets to make them white. :confused:

Folks at indoor shooting ranges had/have very limited exposure to lead, but employees at such ranges had problems as lead fragments left on the range over time, would oxidize and the employees would then get prolonged exposure to the lead oxide. Such ranges were often swept up by hand and there was a lot of dust which was tiny lead fragments. Now they are required to have massive ventilation.

Lead shot pellets from shotgun shells that fell into water or marshy areas would also oxidize, and then be gobbled up along with stones for use in the crop of waterfowl birds like ducks and geese, and would poison them. So we use steel shot now for waterfowl.

Hot water coming into contact with lead will transfer lead into the liquid, and if you then drink that (or if you're an ancient Roman warming your wine in lead lined warmers :confused:) you can get poisoned. Lead hot water pipes build up scale that prevents lead transfer, and cold water in lead pipes also builds scale but really isn't a problem.

AND eating lead by accident (or a doctor deciding to leave a lead projectile inside a shooting victim) will not poison you. ;)

LD
 
I cast in the garage and have cast something from sinkers to bullets for about 71 years. I do not wear gloves or anything and mostly just a "T" shirt. Water or sweat on the surface does nothing at all but you NEVER get it under the surface.
I cast clean, in other words no lead splashing anywhere but a friend will have enough lead on the floor to make 100 balls. Keep lead away from your mouth and never breath fumes when you flux. Lead does not go into the air at the temperatures we cast at. Even 800 degrees will not put lead in the air.
The secret to making a good ball is to get a good fit to the sprue plate with the ladle so there are no leaks. pre heat the mold to 500 degrees. Turn the mold to the ladle and tip up and hold it there a few seconds so lead flows from the ladle into the mold as the lead shrinks. Don't depend on the sprue to feed as it cools faster then the ball. I hate a bottom pour.
I found it so many years ago the Mastodon was still here. Watch in the ladle and lead will go down, stop for a second and then go down more. that is when you tip off. You must feed the ball with molten lead and not a sprue. Once you cast a full 20# pot without a reject, you can thank me.
Casting is safe and you don't need a hazmat suit or an oxygen tank.
 
At my age I wont worry about lead. I drank like a fish, ate whatever crossed my path with bacon on it, and smoked up to 2 packs a day for YEARS. I'm still kicking.
As to the original posting question about lead and health, I think the lead balls do the most damage to what you point the barrel at, not point the ladle at. Don't suck on them like they were hard candy an you will be fine.
 
Hello,
I am very new to black powder shooting and, from my non-shooting friends, have received some negative input when it comes to lead and health. The question I have is are there any alternative metals to use for balls other than lead?

Thank you in advance!

Where are you located and what are you shooting?

We can provide some better answers if we know where you are shooting so we can base an answer on what we may know of local regulations. For example, in Missouri on most of the Missouri Department of Conservation hunting areas, lead shot is not allowed. Lead is allowed on private property. Non lead shot is required for waterfowl.

Are you shooting a rifle, cap and ball revolver or shotgun?
 
Kalifornication has determined wheel weights are deadly. They are along the roads by the ton. I say hang 40 pairs of shoes around your neck and walk a million miles and if you find one you are lucky. What would eat a WW anyway---OOPS, a liberal I guess.
Ever notice everything you use in your life has a warning that Kalifornication says causes cancer? Even my jar of Hoppe's has a warning.
 
I am very new to black powder shooting and, from my non-shooting friends, have received some negative input when it comes to lead and health.

Lead poison in young children is a serious situation. i came from another era in time when lots of stuff contained lead. Gasoline contained lead, paint contained lead, toothpaste tubes were made of lead, etc. Our parents were aware of the dangers posed by lead. Parents beat our butts for gnawing on painted surfaces. Judging from cases of kids getting lead poison from eating paint in old homes, todays parents are not enforcing this one.

As an adult I've had lead poisoning twice. For 50 years I worked as a military/civilian explosive ordnance disposal tech. Among other stuff, i destroyed hundreds of millions of small arms rounds by burning. Refused to wear a respirator and breathed lead dust. My last bout with lead poisoning was in 1991-92 when i destroyed the unserviceable ammunition from Desert Storm. Cleaned out the small arms burning pits and got lead poisoning.

The question I have is are there any alternative metals to use for balls other than lead?

IMO: There are no suitable substitutes for lead use in conventional muzzleloaders.

1. If you cast balls or conicals wear long pants, long sleeved shirt and solid shoes. Molten lead will penetrate tennis shoes.

2. Wear nitrile gloves or wash hands soon after handling exposed lead.

3. Don't eat while casting or handling lead.

4. Avoid indoor firing ranges like the plague.

See your local roofer for lead. Lead is used in the roof stacks.
 
Unless you cast or handle lead daily for decades and don't wash your hands and then eat or rub your eyes or pick your nose, lead will not be an issue with regards to your health. For most of us handling/casting lead etc is an occasional activity. You have a better chance of being run over by a bus than dying from lead related health problems, so long as you take reasonable precautions.

BTW, If you want lead for casting, go to rotometals.com.
 
I say hang 40 pairs of shoes around your neck and walk a million miles and if you find one you are lucky.

I've found quite a few, usually at intersections or along curbs, but have found them on graveled shoulders too, and I wasn't even looking for them.
If you can think of it, you can find it along a road somewhere.
 
Hello,
I am very new to black powder shooting and, from my non-shooting "friends", have received some negative input when it comes to lead and health. The question I have is are there any alternative metals to use for balls other than lead?

Thank you in advance!

There's your problem right there. Yer hanging around the wrong crowd. :D
 
Hello,
I am very new to black powder shooting and, from my non-shooting friends, have received some negative input when it comes to lead and health. The question I have is are there any alternative metals to use for balls other than lead?

Thank you in advance!
Make some new friends that are BP shooters and quit listening to those uninformed libtards.....
The lead danger from BP shooting is a LOT less dangerous that driving. (or vaping or sipping latte')
 
Unless you're in Commiefornia, just use the lead. Wash your hands after shooting and cleaning your guns. Don't handle lead then kick your fingers, don't chew lead balls, don't cast lead indoors. Common sense and clean hygienic practices will negate the risk.

Full disclosure, I have had long term lead poisoning, my lead count was in the 70s. But, it took years of working in an environment with high lead exposure, and, most importantly, years of my own lax attitude toward prevention. Most of my exposure was indoors, and it wasn't uncommon for me to handle things with high risk of lead contamination then have a smoke, or eat a sandwich while working. Don't be like me. It is not hard to avoid lead toxicity if you are concerned about it.
I agree with what you said and it could be a good argument for not using saliva as a patch lube
 
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