Lead Polution

What are they going to protest next? :youcrazy:
In Calif. they are bitching about a rifle range and the noise that doesn't meet the towns image. :youcrazy:
The rifle range was in existance before they built more houses near by , but now want the rifle range closed and
they say they want the range tested for lead!!!!! :what:
If they get that rifle range shut down because of lead then your range may be the next to have the doors closed. :imo:
If this comes about what would you use for a PBR... ball bearing?


Woody

 

[noahmercy]

The tree-huggers and anti-gunners are often one and the same :curse: and this is a tactic they adopted about a decade ago. However, it's been shown time and again that unless an aquifer is right near the surface, solid lead, (like from bullets) won't easily contaminate it. It is far more likely that the pesticides and fertilizers folks have their lawns sprayed with will harm the environment. So far they haven't been successful at outlawing lead projectiles, but if they ever were, you'd have to use a non-toxic alternative like bismuth, tungsten, or one of the new "polymers".

 

[tallbear]

Woodhick
This is happening all over the country :: :: ::I have been fighting this battle for ten years or more at my club.This is the anti's newest attack to close clubs.Under the guise of protecting the envirment they are testing for the presence of lead.I've had to go so far as threatning to have the local town official arrested for[url] tresspass.In[/url] reality lead IS NOT A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!Under most conditions lead does not leach more than 6 inches below the surface.Definatly not far enough to get into the water.This information is avalible from many sources including the EPA.Even faced with this info our local official still wants to pusue this matter which tells me lead is a smoke screen to the real intent.Close our club.Lead can also be reclaimed and recycled.If anyones club is threatend in this way contact the N.R.A. they have been a big help to us so far.It's not about lead it's about closing ranges :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:
Mitch

 

Noah Mercy and tallbear
I agree with both of you.
I as a logger have dealt with the treehuggers for years.
You see what I am trying to come across with. And that being the "DO GOODERS" will do anything , even if it is an all out lie, to have the agenda to swing their way.


Woody

 

LEAD POISONING MY A__ !!! it is called "Enviro-re-location"..... lead comes out of THE GROUND we just put it back in a diffrent location....

 

[Slowpoke]

Interesting article on Lead Polution.


Blacksburg, Va., November 5, 2004 -- There were 4.1 million tons of lead bullets fired in the United States in the 20th century. Is that lead having an environmental impact?

Not at or near the U.S. Forest Service firing range near Blacksburg, according to research by Virginia Tech geological scientists. Donald Rimstidt, a professor in the Department of Geosciences, College of Science at Virginia Tech, will report the conclusions of a five-year study at the 116th national meeting of the Geological Sciences of America in Denver Nov. 7-10.

There are 9,000 nonmilitary shooting ranges and a lot of military ones in the United States. Some 60,000 metric tons of lead are expended by shooting (A metric ton or "long ton" is 2,200 lbs.). "So, there is lead shot and bullets everywhere," Rimstidt said.

"We were invited by the U.S. Forest Service to look at the shooting range in the National Forest near Blacksburg."

The researchers'' survey found 11 metric tons of shot in the shotgun range and 12 metric tons of lead bullets in the rifle range. "These ranges are 10 years old. Most of the lead shot has accumulated on about four or five acres. Some shots have been into the woods, which cover hundreds of acres," Rimstidt said.

Professor James Craig, now retired, and Rimstidt looked first at lead corrosion and whether lead is leaching into the water table or streams. "Lead metal is unstable when it is in contact with air and water. It corrodes and forms hydrocerrussite, the white coating seen on old bullets in museums. That slows corrosion," Rimstidt said.

However some lead escapes, he said. "But we learned that it is absorbed in the top few inches of soil and does not migrate beyond that," Rimstidt said. "Lead is not very mobile. It does not wash away in surface or ground water."

Another finding is that there are large amounts of lead in the trees near the shooting range

 

[RiverRat]

I once read that golf courses are one of the major pollutors to streams and rivers. I am not trying to pick a fight with some gophers....I mean golfers.

 

Thanks for the info Slowpoke

Very interesting reading .

I am not to far from Blacksburg and know where the range
is they did the study on.

The folks in Calf. need to use this type info in their fight againts the anti's.


Woody

 

[shmrck1]

Slowpoke,
:hmm:very interesting!!
snake-eyes eace: :thumbsup:

 

[KyFlintlock]

I agree with the lawn fertilizers and such...all you have to do is take a looke at the Everglades and what is left...from the many new homes and the green grass...

 

[Slowpoke]

Hog farms are just as bad, I guess you boys from North Carolina can tell us all about that.

SP

 

[RussB]

I once read that golf courses are one of the major pollutors to streams and rivers. I am not trying to pick a fight with some gophers....I mean golfers.

RiverRat, I have read this same thing, and if I were to put the blame on stream / aqua polution anywhere...this would be where I looked first.

Those beautiful greens are NOT an act of nature.

The majority of this kind of thing is nothing more than Evergreeners exercising leverage. They don't give a manure about you, or theirs for that matter, they just want to "prove" they're right.......regardless. But in order to do that they have to "twist" things just a bit.

Russ

 

[Claude Mathis]

I once read that golf courses are one of the major pollutors to streams and rivers.

Golf courses do more damage than almost any other recreation in California.

The chemicals they use to keep the grass looking good pollute the water and the amount of water they take from our dwindling supply is criminal.

We can't fight them because the idiots that play golf are rich. It's just that simple.

 

Living on the Mississippi River Flyway, I wonder what our government and other idiots are thinking sometimes.

Lead shot was replaced with steel shot years ago for waterfowl hunting. I can understand the benefit of steel shot because many birds were dying of lead poisoning simply by eating lead as they fed off the weeds on the river bottom. Their contaminated bodies would further spread the problem as they migrated and died. But yet we continue to dump tons a farm and residential fertilizer into the river by both runoff and raw sewage pipes. We are overwhelmed with aquatic weeds that choke out areas. Fish are contaminated and there are swimming restrictions in some parts of the river.

Lake Pepin is a widening in the river about 30 miles upstream from me. It is deep-over 100 feet. It used to filter the heavy metals from the twin cities' sewage with its depth. But now, those heavy metals are being found downstream because the lake is filling in!

The Army Corp of Engineers has destroyed a lot of wetlands by flooding them in trying to maintain a 9 foot commercial shipping channel. Daily fluctuations in river depth also scatters fish and I would think that affects them negatively. At other times, they let the river drop so low that habitat is dried up and fish die needlessly.

I was in a unique position to be president of the local Audubon club. There were hunters in the group and overall, everybody seemed to understand the balance between hunting, ecology and right from wrong, stupid from smart. But there are groups that seem to want to do nothing but make a big splash for themselves. In a war of wits they are half-armed but they have backing from very deep pockets. And that says it all. Who ever has the bucks usually wins.

But in another example of narrow minded thinking is a proposed ban on parking RVs on your property I had to fight in the community I lived in back in Illinois. All because of one very wealthy, vociferous, ignorant, arrogant and politically connected woman. Eventually, I gathered 600 RV owners in an organization and I was named president of it. We all went to a public meeting. Oh yeah, they all paid dues and I hired a lawyer who had experience in this issue. The law was never enacted. So sometimes, even the wealthy can be beat with a volume of people who are against what they want for their own private utopia. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

Keep the Faith!

 

[waksupi]

Within the past few weeks, it has come out that the concept of the waterfowl eating lead and dying of it, was unfounded. The scientists who conducted the study say thier research was mis-interpreted, and turned into junk science to further special interest goals. So much for research.

 

[Huntinfool]

I read the same story Slowpoke posted a few weeks ago it was on Outdoors Unlimited which I use as my homepage.

I also agree with Ric hogwash the ducks around here may die from lead poisoning but it kills them instantly! LOL!

YMH&OS, :blah:
Chuck

 

Ric Carter

That does not surprise me at all. It seems to me that most "scientific" studies turn into junk science eventually. So now that all the shotguns have been improved to handle steel shot and all the ballistic problems have been resolved, will we see a comeback for lead shot over water? Probably not. It just cost all of us a lot of money for nothing.