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For enough money, you can have anything built but as others have said, the military didn't recognize left handed shooters (modernly we have a brass deflector on the AR, the Steyr-Aug rifle has a bolt assembly that converts it to left-handed and there are a few other guns like the FN-P90 that are completely ambidextrious) and for the most part, still doesn't. It wasn't cost effective and created too much logistics problem to make a left handed gun for military application (private made is another story).
 
Thank you Slamfire for bringing up your point. I was just thinking that there had to be some folks in history that were challenged in their vision that had to shoot with their left eye. Not to add fuel to an already burning fire, but surely someone had to make provisions for these shooters. I don't need a reply on this one. I am not a historian nor a PC re-enactor, but I think somewhere in history you will find a conversion that someone had to make-up. I just love muzzleloaders and I think this way because I know that folks have always adapted somehow. If I could go back in time, I know that I would find all sorts of make-do guns because all situations are not the same. Don't attack me now, just my personal thoughts.
 
:rotf: Pyrodex!!!? :rotf: What the heck is that?
I like your sense of humor Pard! Have a party!

Left hand shooters...shoot left hand rifles and guns if that is the way for you, and don't feel obliged to prove anything to anybody else.I have never met a totally PC or HC re-enactor in all my life. I have met those who THINK they are. There are TOO MANY snobs in the world. The funny thing is...they never have any thing to be snobbish about. There needs to be a little more tolerance in this hobby, or LIFESTYLE, for those who prefer to call it that. :rotf: I don't know how Mike Robert's got called into this in such a negative way either. Mike gives his opinion on the research he has done just like the rest of us.
Lighten up southpaws. I don't care what side of the face you shoot your rifle from...those that do need a chill pill.
Beunos Dios, Adios, and all that, :hatsoff:
BTW, this is humbly submitted from a TOTALLY HC re-enactor that shoots right handed and right eyed. :blah:
 
Paul has come under attack for suggesting that people try different things like using lead instead of leather for a flint wrap. His suggestion is based on his experiences. I'm not quite ready to jump on the bandwagon but I am trying several different materials as flint wraps. It may take me a year or two as I am very limited in my available time at the range, BUT so far I have gotten 60 shots off from a lead wrapped flint without having to knap the flint. It may have gotten more as I screwed up when I first put it in the cock jaws so..... But the point is, there are lots of people here with their own views on things. Some tend to voice their's and value it more than others. Paul was attacked for offering what he felt was helpful advice. Is Paul a happy camper? Probably not but he isn't naming names and just throwing out some general warnings. I tell everyone about this forum and urge them to come and visit. I do offer a general warning that if a question is asked, you'll most likely get several answers that differ amoung them. Keep an open mind and think about them, some may be useful to you, some may not, but all are being offered to help. With that I'll shut up.
 
Russian Bullmoose-Why don't you just shoot it left handed?I shoot all my muzzeloaders(which are right handed)left handed.I have three flinters that are right handed,shoot all of them left handed.It really is not a big deal to do this(I do not re-enact),I have done this so long,that if I had a left handed rifle it would feel very strange(especially priming the pan on the other side)...Respectfully montanadan
 
David-Nice post.I like Paul,he helped me a great deal.I thank him for that.He's an attorney and a scrappy one at that,if the chips were down for me.I would want him on my side...Respectfully montanadan
 
Cooner54 said:
:rotf: Pyrodex!!!? :rotf: What the heck is that?
I like your sense of humor Pard! Have a party!
:blah:

What can I say? I'm an equal opportunity tweaker.... :winking:
 
If you really want to see a weird gun, look for a right handed gun, stocked for a left eyed shooter. I've seen pictures and the stock looks like it really warped :rotf: They are out there but I really can't refer you to any at this time.
 
A left handed Chambers Haines with a brass box would be reliable, pretty, and OK for early 19th century.

Had a wierd thing happen to me recently where I thought I might lose the sight in my right eye (better now). When I put the York long rifle on my left shoulder. It did not feel prohibitively awkward.
 
There wasn't a left-handed one make, but if they would have realized how much more effective a few of their soldiers could shoot if they would have had one, you can bet a left-handed lock would have been included! Just one more example of how affirmative action can improve a situation. :hmm:
 
Not sure why this thread went the way it did. The question was about LH Harpers. If there was none made then anything that would be currently made would not be correct. Some of our members simply tried to point out "why" there is no such animal. I understood the question to mean a PC rifle. While you could have a Harpers look alike it simply would not be PC. I am left handed in most things myself so I can understand some of the problems mentioned. To take offense to historical knowledge of some of our members is being exactly what was being mentioned in the thread. If it wasn't made it wasn't made you can't change history and it will not be historically correct no matter how much you might wish. Ligten up and learn broaden your horizens. If all you want is a look alike which is fine then go for it but if you are wishing to be PC then understand you will not be. Simple enough for me.
 
sparsons said:
To take offense to historical knowledge of some of our members is being exactly what was being mentioned in the thread. If it wasn't made it wasn't made you can't change history and it will not be historically correct no matter how much you might wish.


I assume since you clicked on my post, this is aimed at me, but since you didn't quote anything I said, I don;t know what your points relate too, as much of your statements don't relate to anything I said. If you re-read my posts, I'm not addressing anything about what was or wasn't manufactured.

I take no offense when people offer facts. I do have a problem with rude, unprovoked remarks about the members.

......with all the snobs that infest this site, it isn't politically correct, either!
 
One of the reasons for having a custom or semi-custom built is to have it made specifically for you. If I'm going to plunk down righteous money for a special gun, I durn well am going to have it my way.
I too grew up in a right-handed world, but managed those guns without problems. That doesn't mean I have to relegate myself to the them when another option is available.
My hope is to have Jackie brown build me a Carolina Smoothbore to my specifications, and it will be of the Southpaw persuasion.
 
For those who are interested T.M.Hamilton in "Colonial Frontier Guns"{1980} PP. 60-61 illustrates a left handed Fusil fin of very high quality.It was found in a grave accompanied by some outstanding French trade goods including a dress sword or rapier, five sleigh bells, two small"liberty" bells and about 100 glass beads.The side plate is an example of a type which is extremely rare and until a few months ago I thought it had been found only on a 17th century Danish gun illustrated by Torsten Lenk,{Plate 52,3&5} and didn't think it was found on any other 17th or 18th century guns. I now know that one exists on a French Tulle Bucaneer privately owned.Accoding to Hamilton this gun found in Angola,Louisiana is the only left-handed 18th Centurygun to be recovered archaelogically. That was as of 1980 the date of publication of "Colonial Frontier Guns"
Tom Patton
 
paulvallandigham said:
Mike, You are one of those people who have to try to criticize, even when you agree with me. I don't get it. I respect your work, and all the hours you have personally committed to learning the history of these guns. You are an outstanding gun builder. I just don't see why you have to think its important to take a shot everytime I write something.

Like most left-handers, I have been cursed my entire life with living in a RH world. I got into guns when I was a kid, when they stopped selling LH bows, began stocking only compound bows made to be shot right handed, and looked at me like I was from Mars because I asked if they had any bow for a left handed shooter. There were two companies making a few Left handed models. LH golf clubs were an expensive, custom order proposition. So, I went with guns. I looked into have my own large musket style military action lockplate. I was even going to have both a double throated cock, and an goose neck cock made for each lock, so the shooter could use whatever he needed for the gun he was building.

As for other guns made with LH Locks, I have previously commented on having the rare privilege to handle an original Tower build double barrel 12 ga. shotgun, sling swivel on the front of the trigger guard, the other attached to the barrel rib, European style, with 36 inch barrels, that balanced right where you hand naturally grasped the forend. The gun weighed about 9 lbs. but swung so effortless that you didn't notice the weight at all. It had a 12 1/2" LOP, but came to my face, with my eye looking down the rib at the front bead as if the gun had been made for my 6'1" frame, instead of the shorter man who owned it. This was obviously an officer's gun. It had matching large flintlocks on the gun. The internal parts were mirror images of each other. It clearly dated to the 1770s. So, yes, there are some guns made in that period with LH locks. But no brown bess, or harper's ferry or any other military rifle I know about. I have spent a life time looking. When I meet other LH NL shooters, we always compare notes on the subject of guns.

If some people had their way, I would never be allowed at their events with my LH guns at all. I learned a long time ago that those folks are not worth my concern, and they vanish with time, too. I don't need them to want me to feel good about myself, or enjoy this sport. Am I bitter? No, not really. But I am not going to pass up an opportunity to warn a new shooter, particularly a Left hander, of what prejudice he is going to encounter, even here. Back in the 1960's and 70s, there was an ardent battle going on in the gun magazines between ' Experts", self taught, and proud of all the hours they had put in learning their subject, about Hawken rifles. All the experts were adament that the brothers never made a Flintlock gun. Then, an authentic, real, flintlock Hawken showed up. People swallowed hard. People back pedaled, refusing to change their minds, or apologize for their ignorance, no matter how innocent it was. People refused to others they had insulted and called bad names over the issue. Then, a second rifle showed up. The world grew silent. I feared some suicides might result. But, never fear, that crowd is so full of itself, they took it all in stride, and started mincing words, saying things,like, " Well, I was talking about Sam Hawkens in his early days. I always meant the period with his brother and he were in business together in St. Louis "

Like the rest of the world, I just saw the entire science of Astronomy stood on its head by Hubble Telescope, and some of the newer scopes that are using various wave lengths of light to peer further in to the universe than ever before. The science as it was taught 40 years ago is changed by what we have found in the past 10 years. Things like this occur in the field of history, and antrhopology, all the time. About the best indicator of real ignorance is for someone to claim he knows everything about anything from history. I find all the parochialism about stock shape and design amusing at best, and a bore at worst. If it were possible to go back and find EVERY gun a single gun maker made 200 years ago, so we could see his complete record, then, and only, then , could solid conclusions be made about his artistry and design. That is rarely possible, as we have only a few examples among dozens or hundreds that a maker built during a working life.

Attempting to judge what is historically correct based on a few samples of guns known, is like determining the story in a book based on a few random pages that were removed from it. When someone here writes that a gun someone is buying , or making, is wrong because of some small change in the thickness or shape of the wrist, or width of the stock at the lock plates, or the angle of the lock plate to the barrel, All I think about is, " Yeah, that may be correct, ...... until the next gun is discovered that is not made that way. Then what are the critics going to say? " The reaoon we study history is so that we can learn from it. Some people insist on repeating history, and usually for no good earthly reason!

Paul, read this carefully and pay close attention, I have pointed this out to you 1/2 a dozen times and you don't seem to get it.
I AM MIKE BROOKS AND I BUILD GUNS. I AM NOT MIKE ROBERTS. WE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH TWO DIFFERENT NAMES.ALSO MY NAME IS NOT MARK AS YOU SO OFTEN SEEM TO REFER TO ME AS. WHY YOU DISLIKE ME SO MUCH IS BEYOND ME, I RARELY RESPOND TO YOUR POSTS.
Your rude post above bores me to no end and I don't see the relevance to the question in the original post.
You all will notice I don't post much at all on historical correctness anymore as Paul's hysterical post is usually the end result....all very typical, and frankly I'm tired of Pauls brand of manure. if anyone has any questions on what's right and what's wrong on historically correct guns just drop me a PM and I'd be glad to share any information I have. :v
To answer the original questiion, Harpers ferry rifles were not made left handed. If you want somebody to make you one I'm sure it could be done.
Left handed civilian guns were made in the 18th century, generally for the wealthy, I've handled several left handed english fowlers that dated pre 1775.
 
Mike, :thumbsup: , and not only that, but I said nothing in this thread to warrant such a response either!
 
I guess that by now you have figured out that a left handed 1803 Harpers Ferry is a fantasy. However all is not lost as far as authenticity goes. The 1803 styling was very avant guard for its day and sporting rifles with similiar lines were made. See page 168 of Kentucky Rifles & Pistols 1750-1850. If you can live without a cheek piece, you could alter a kit to left hand, if you ordered it with out the lock inletted.
 
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