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Thanks for taking the time to write that out. I feel like the picture gets a little more clear each time someone posts good info like that. :hatsoff:

I'm a complete novice but I hope to continue to learn about our nations muzzleloading history. Keep the good posts and pictures coming !
 
I need to add that the Upper Valley of Virginia did also have a strong history of English influence on rifles. Adam Haymaker produced extraordinarily fine rifles from about 1753 until his death in 1808, and lived in Winchester. Winchester was at a crossroads with migration routes leading in all four directions.
 
Finaly we are getting somewhere. Thank you for this information! This is far better then all the bickering we've had lately! I am saving up for a TVM Lancaster. With the info I already found here, I was already confident to know which quality parts to order. May be I now can get enough info also to have this gun made in a more historicaly acceptable fine gun. :v
 
"Along that same line, maybe a section with sub categories like:
Southern Rifle
Carolina Rifle
Barn Guns
Virginias
Hawkens
Lancasters
Fowlers
etc
etc
etc"

This might be confusing if anything one decided to call an "ETC" is posted there and becomes and example of such a gun whether it is of not, as mantioned mnay do not know much about what makes a "certain gun" a "certain gun" and listing specific categories without "checks and balances" of any kind could be rather hard varify that a gun fits the category could be very confusing and missleading particularlyif one is seriously studying the various gun styles and wants to go beyound the point of just putting any old name that seems good on any generic gun. Two dimensional images are often hatrd to decifer as it is for the experienced gun students I would suggest giving this some serious thought unless authenticity is just not a consideration at all and the "word" of any vendor is what determines a gun type not the actual aspects/details of the gun itself many are so generic that a long time gun student could not put them in a "school" no slam just fact it does not mean thye are not good guns just that it is questionable where some fit in the scheme of things, if some disagree I would like to know what the line of thinking is and where I am off base on this issue. A page of members guns is a gfine idea but to etch in giold they are of a perticulasr type is another matter the owner can lay any claim they wish when posting on a member gun page without a "forum" verified classification.:idunno:
 
I own two "ETC" rifles and love the style. I no longer shoot them that much but they do have their place in my cabinet. They are dead ringers :grin: for etc guns built just before the Rev War and were copied from originals. :rotf:
 
hanshi said:
I own two "ETC" rifles and love the style. I no longer shoot them that much but they do have their place in my cabinet. They are dead ringers :grin: for etc guns built just before the Rev War and were copied from originals. :rotf:

I just spent 5 minutes trying to figure out what an ETC rifle was..."early?...trade?...something something" :rotf:
 
"So if i wanted to get a "Kentucky" Style longrifle that was the closest to appearance and style of around 1750-1780s what would be the closest resembling rifle out there"

it appears thta authenticity is a factor from the nature of the post this would eliminate most of the generic offerings and probably anything earlier thna 1770, there is a very wide ramge of style from 1750-1780 a narrower time frame would be much easier for you to nail down a type of gun, finding a particular builder who has a distince style useage of certain details would be the best way to go, not an exact copy but with enough recognizable traits to be dateable and likley by that builder, Dickert, Haines, Beck are some of the earlier ones most use. it will take some research if one is serious. There are lots of Haines guns offered that without the builder adding some Haines detail they have nothing to suggest Haines as put out finished by the makers, all haver a short barrel which has nothing to do with any Haines style as such. It really depends of just how deep you want to go with being a recogniable "type" of gun. There are two choices, a recognizable gun to a School or builder or a Generic which an be called whatever you want but has nothing that places it in a time or style,many do not like to hear this but that is pretty much the way it is. As has been mentioned you can have a TC Hawken or a Hawken replica by Stith or one of the good Hawken builders, same goes with the longrifles. One is recognizable and deserves the name the other not so much. Nothing about quality is considered.
 
tg said:
"Along that same line, maybe a section with sub categories like:
Southern Rifle
Carolina Rifle
Barn Guns
Virginias
Hawkens
Lancasters
Fowlers
etc
etc....
Hey TG, Why did Roundball leave "Kentucky" Style off his list? :grin:

Enjoy, J.D.
 
It's there...k E. n T. u C. k y

Its a secret code, now that I told ya I gots ta kill ya :idunno:
 
jdkerstetter said:
tg said:
"Along that same line, maybe a section with sub categories like:
Southern Rifle
Carolina Rifle
Barn Guns
Virginias
Hawkens
Lancasters
Fowlers
etc
etc....
Hey TG, Why did Roundball leave "Kentucky" Style off his list? :grin:

Enjoy, J.D.



Since you mentioned "Kentucky" rifles, exactly what would be considered a Kentucky rifle? I was under the impression it was just an all encompassing term for longrifles, especially Pa guns. Is this correct?
 
It came from this song about the Battle of New Orleans.

The Hunters of Kentucky
(or The Battle of New Orleans)


YE gentlemen and ladies fair
Who grace this famous city,
Just listen, if you've time to spare,
While I rehearse a ditty;
And for the opportunity,
Conceive yourselves quite lucky,
For tis not often here you see
A hunter from Kentucky.

Oh, Kentucky,
The Hunters of Kentucky,
Oh, Kentucky,
The Hunters of Kentucky

We are a hardy, free-born race,
Each man to fear a stranger,
Whate'er the game we join in chase,
Despising toil and danger.
And if a daring foe annoys,
Whate'er his strength or forces,
We'll show them that Kentucky boys
Are alligators-horses.

Oh, Kentucky, &c.

I 'spose you've read it in the prints,
How Packenham attempted
To make Old Hickory JACKSON wince,
But soon his scheme repented;
For we with rifles ready cock'd,
Thought such occasion lucky,
And soon around the general flock'd
The Hunters of Kentucky.

Oh, Kentucky, &c.

You've heard I 'spose, how New-Orleans
Is famed for wealth and beauty,
There's girls of every hue, it seems,
From snowy white to sooty.
So Packenham he made his brags,
If he in fight was lucky,
He'd have their girls and cotton bags,
In spite of old Kentucky.

Oh, Kentucky, &c.

But Jackson he was wide awake,
And was'nt scar'd at trifles,
For well he knew what aim we take
With our Kentucky rifles.
So he led us up to a Cyprus swamp,
The ground was low and mucky,
There stood John Bull in martial pomp,
And here was old Kentucky.

Oh, Kentucky, &c.

A bank was raised to hide our breast,
Not that we thought of dying,
But that we always take a rest,
Unless the game is flying.
Behind it stood our little force,
None wished it to be greater,
For every man was half a horse,
And half an alligator.

Oh, Kentucky, &c.

They did not let their patience tire,
Before they showed their faces,
We did not choose to waste our fire
So snugly kept our places,
But when so near we saw them wink,
We thought it time to stop 'em,
And it would have done you good, I think.
To see Kentuckians drop 'em.

Oh, Kentucky, &c.

They found, at last, 'twas vain to fight,
Where lead was all their booty,
And so they wisely took to flight,
And left us all the beauty.
And now if danger e'er annoys,
Remember what our trade is,
Just send for us Kentucky boys,
And we'll protect ye, ladies.

This song during the war of 1812 was the inspiration for the name "Kentucky Rifle". Many of the militia men had rifles, many were from Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, and Tennessee, so there were many types of arms. Most of the men in Kentucky at the time were veterans of the Revolutionary war, and were granted land in Kentucky, and Tennessee. Their patriotism had them volunteering to serve in defense of the U.S. For want of a better description all the guns were called Kentucky rifles, whether rifle, musket, or fowler. At the time, prior to the war, there were few if any smiths in Kentucky it self. Most that came thru the Cumberland pass took a left down the Clinch River to the Tennessee river, and South and West from there. That's also why the rifle Built by Mitch Yates, and some others, for auction at the CLA has a horse-gator on the cheek piece

Bill

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hanshi said:
Since you mentioned "Kentucky" rifles, exactly what would be considered a Kentucky rifle? I was under the impression it was just an all encompassing term for longrifles, especially Pa guns. Is this correct?
Kentucky rifle is generic as is Pennsylvania rifle or American Longrifle or "etc". It was just a little humor thus the " :grin: ".

Enjoy, J.D.
 
Wow this simple question was asked in the Photo section "Lets see some of those Long Rifles!" and 13 of 60 replys actually posted pic's....
 
Are you commenting, complaining or just building up the post count? :grin:

13 out of 60? That seems better than average. :thumbsup:

Enjoy, J.D.
 
Making a friggin statement. Some of us are tired of threads being turned upside down and becoming something other than they were originally.
 
Excuse me if I struck a cord Swampy.

Just a little tongue-in-cheek humor, thus the " :grin: "


It was the OP who hi-jacked his own thread:
The Frontiersman said:
Ok, this is a question for everyone with knowledge beyond my own, and since all of you are older and wiser than myself, i hold your advice and opinions high. So if i wanted to get a "Kentucky" Style longrifle that was the closest to appearance and style of around 1750-1780s what would be the closest resembling rifle out there, or maybe one pictured in this topic????

think.......Simon Kenton :wink:

Enjoy, J.D.
 
Oh, I do! Both orginal and contemporary.

And you are correct, I don't. It's a choice.

As is whether one chooses to participate. :wink:

Enjoy, J.D.
 
Longrifles, rifled, .30 then .40:

LouisSmithA.jpg


JDThompsonF1.jpg


Original smooth rifle, smooth, .55 cal.:

Smooth_rifleA.jpg


Smooth bores, rifle stocked, .62:

SB.jpg


Long_TomH1.jpg


Spence
 
Sir,

You certainly do have an impressive collection. :hatsoff:

Thanks for posting the pictures. :thumbsup:

Enjoy, J.D.
 

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