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Load data for .45 Cherokee.

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Pittsburghunter

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Going to be shooting my Cherokee for the first time this weekend and I was wondering if anyone has some loads they know work well in a Cherokee.

I am bringing up to the range Goex FFF, Hornaday .440 and .445 roundballs and 240g maxiballs. For patching I have WM pillowticking and various cotton remnants. I will be using natural lube as my lube.
 
TC's manual lists the .440" and Goex 2F:

50=1585 fps/mv
60=1701
70=1800
80=1904
90=1980

As I'm sure you know, you can drop the 3F charge by 10-15%.

I use 40-50grns 3F as a target load in a 15/16" x 32" .45cal barrel...30-40grs would probably be a good target load for the 13/16" thinner, shorter, lighter Cherokee barrel
 
I have a .45 Seneca, which is essentially the same barrel and all. It shoots really sweet at 45 grains 3F. It has another sweet spot at 60 grains also. You might try tinkering in that range and see what you come up with.
 
Cherokee has a really short barrel if you use to much powder it will just get blown out unburnt. Start at 30 grains and work up to I would guess 70 grains. FFFg would probably work better as it will burn faster making better use of the short barrel.
 
For Use With .45 Caliber Cherokee
& Seneca Rifles
Bullets Lubricated with Bore Butter
Use a #11 Percussion Cap
.45 Caliber Rifle
Black Powder &
Maxi-Ball Ӣ Maxi-Hunter Loads
.45 Caliber
Lead Bullet
Weight (Grains)
Black Powder
Charge (Grains)
Muzzle Velocity
(Feet Per Second)
Muzzle Energy
(Foot Pounds)
190-200 Grain
Lead Bullet
60 grs. FFG 1502 F.P.S. 1002 Ft. Lbs.
70 grs. FFG 1575 F.P.S. 1101 Ft. Lbs.
80 grs. FFG 1643 F.P.S. 1199 Ft. Lbs.
240 - 255 Grain
Lead Bullet
60 grs. FFG 1369 F.P.S. 1061 Ft. Lbs.
70 grs. FFG 1456 F.P.S. 1201 Ft. Lbs.
80 grs. FFG 1541 F.P.S. 1345 Ft. Lbs.
320 Grain
Lead Bullet
60 grs. FFG 1258 F.P.S. 1125 Ft. Lbs.
70 grs. FFG 1334 F.P.S. 1265 Ft. Lbs.
80 grs. FFG 1420 F.P.S. 1433 Ft. Lbs.
Load Shown in Red is Maximum.
Here you go,that manual is on the Net some place if I can find it again I will post the link.
 
Pittsburghunter said:
Going to be shooting my Cherokee for the first time this weekend and I was wondering if anyone has some loads they know work well in a Cherokee.

I am bringing up to the range Goex FFF, Hornaday .440 and .445 roundballs and 240g maxiballs. For patching I have WM pillowticking and various cotton remnants. I will be using natural lube as my lube.


You didn't say if you wanted a hunting load or a paper-punching load. For paper, mine likes light loads of either ffg or fffg. I went down to 35 gr of ffg Swiss and it shot well. A load that light will probably burn completely in the shorter barrel. Your milage will likely vary. And obviously I would not use that load on deer - probably be fine for a squirrel load.

Regards,
Pletch
 
Stick with the lighter loads in your gun. It really isn't built for a steady diet of rhino-rollers! :hmm:

And you shoulder probably isn't either. That is a light gun which is why they are so treasured. Treat it nice.

You can calculate the maximum efficient load that will burn in your barrel length by using the Charles Davenport formula for Round Ball loads of 11.5 grains per cubic inch of bore. A 28 inch, .45 caliber will burn a little more than 51 grains of powder, behind a round ball. Drop it ten percent to get a more accurate load.

When you are shooting conical bullets in these guns, the added weight of the bullet, and the additional friction caused by the wider contact surfaces of the bullet against the lands will increase barrel lag time, and increase chamber pressure. That in turn will burn more powder efficiently than what you shoot with a PRB. You may be able to burn up to 60 grains of powder, depending on the length and weight of the conical you use. But remember, both the weight of the bullet and the weight of additional powder ALSO contribute to greater recoil forces. Its one of Newton's laws, and we can't change that. Put that all in a light rifle, and you are going to notice the recoil.

So, IMHO the best thing you can do is be nice to that gun. I did a lot of good shooting with a 25 inch .45 cal. barrel shooting just 45 grains, at 50 yd. targets. The 30 grain charge was accurate at the 25 yard targets. I know a gunmaker who just finished making himself a short deer rifle with a fast, 1:14" ROT barrel for conicals, and he is using 28 grains of FFFg for his load. He is shooting one hole groups with it at 100 yards, and the penetration testing of that conical shows its more than adequate to kill a deer. He does not expect to shoot a deer at that distance, as he hunts in heavy brush. The barrel is only 16 inches long, BTW. I believe the velocity is in the 1200 fps range at the muzzle, and is still more than 900 fps out at 100 yards.

Now, don't expect that kind of performance shooting a PRB! Instead, expect any PRB load to lose 45% of its MV at 100 yards.

Most of your shooting will be plinking and short range target shooting, so just shoot the PRBs and go have fun with that nice gun. You are not going to regret buying it. :hatsoff:
 
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