Load for Uberti Walker Revolver

[M. De Land]

Ummmm, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I've been saying all along. I'm testing the "PLATFORM".
(Sound familiar?)
And no, the correct "design" is being tested as well. I honestly doubt your "perfect wedge " theory would hold up. You're welcome to try.


And why would I do that? Doesn't sound very "scientific"!

Mike

To confirm your design strength contentions ! You know, the one where you say/infer open frame design with arbor end fitting is just as strong as closed frame is.

 

[45D]

To confirm your design strength contentions ! You know, the one where you say/infer open frame design with arbor end fitting is just as strong as closed frame is.

Again, I don't know anybody that develops loads from the top down. That would be "stupid".
Besides, I've already proven the superiority over many examples of "top strap " revolvers. I never said they would be THE strongest SA revolver ( you sound like a broken record).

And, it's not "my" design, it's a 180 year old design by Colt's design engineers . . . that is apparently way over some folks heads . . .

Mike

 

[Dude]

To confirm your design strength contentions ! You know, the one where you say/infer open frame design with arbor end fitting is just as strong as closed frame is.

No inference needed there - he's already proven it's much stronger. He's shooting more powerful loads than the peacemaker (1873 Colt) can handle, which is a comparable comparison.

However, that's not good enough for you, since the only proof you'll accept is if the open top doesn't disintegrate with 44 Magnum loads. We've been around and around with this, and logic doesn't get through.

Just as the top strap models needed beefing up to handle stronger ammo, I'm sure the 1860 Colt is no different.

Now answer this - if the Walker can stand up to 44 Mag loads, will you agree the open top is as strong as the top strap pistols?

 

[M. De Land]

No inference needed there - he's already proven it's much stronger. He's shooting more powerful loads than the peacemaker (1873 Colt) can handle, which is a comparable comparison.

However, that's not good enough for you, since the only proof you'll accept is if the open top doesn't disintegrate with 44 Magnum loads. We've been around and around with this, and logic doesn't get through.

Just as the top strap models needed beefing up to handle stronger ammo, I'm sure the 1860 Colt is no different.

Now answer this - if the Walker can stand up to 44 Mag loads, will you agree the open top is as strong as the top strap pistols?

You have a flat earth mentality and logic does not inter into your thinking. Beef the solid frame Colt to Ruger levels and it will handle magnum pressure just as easily but the Walker or Dragoon won't which are already beefed up.
Actually there are several Colt 73 clones chambered for magnum (I've fired one) cartridges proving the design strength superiority !

 

[Garbear34]

There are several methods to fix the short arbor. First thing is to check for the short arbor by tapping the wedge in as far it will go. If the cylinder locks up it's short. Fixing it can be done by adding washers in the barrel socket and adjusting the barrel/cylinder gap to .002 to .004 using feeler gauges. Other methods include a button head screw threaded into the end of the arbor, welding and building up the end then dressing it back to the desired dimension. The main thing is be sure the end of the arbor seats solid in the barrel socket. There is a fellow out there doing pistol work that is using a 10 32 set screw in the arbor to adjust the fit. This doesn't work so well on account of the load being concentrated in a small area so it pounds a divot in the bottom of the socket. The arbor needs to have 100% contact in the socket. You can PM me if you would like your pistols fixed.

Thank you. My walker wedge in tightvmy cylinder does lock up. Im going try the washer shims. I have feller gauges. Im going send you a PM.

 

[Dude]

Actually there are several Colt 73 clones chamber for magnum (I've fired one) cartridges proving the design strength superiority !

Are you talking about a Ruger Blackhawk? Be specific.

 

[Smokerr]

You have a flat earth mentality and logic does not inter into your thinking.

Says the man with the illogical chip. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

[M. De Land]

Says the man with the illogical chip. None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Your projecting!

 

[M. De Land]

Are you talking about a Ruger Blackhawk? Be specific.

The Iver Johnson Cattlemen was a model of Colt Clone chambered in 44 Mag I have shot. A close friend owned one and loved it using the hottest safe loads he could make for it.
He did break a trigger spring I had to replace though and as far as I know that was the only trouble he had with the gun.
Uberti makes one chambered in 44 Mag as well I believe.

 

[D Yager]

I am really start to doubt Mr Deland on his gunsmithing prowess. Starting to think armchair quarterback.
It really sounds like a case of my way is the only way and by golly it's the only way. When someone refuses to keep learning regardless of what is being shown then that person is stagnated. Maybe it's time to check the ego and pay attention to what's being shown to you. You might actually learn something even it is outside your comfort zone.

 

[M. De Land]

I am really start to doubt Mr Deland on his gunsmithing prowess. Starting to think armchair quarterback.
It really sounds like a case of my way is the only way and by golly it's the only way. When someone refuses to keep learning regardless of what is being shown then that person is stagnated. Maybe it's time to check the ego and pay attention to what's being shown to you. You might actually learn something even it is outside your comfort zone.

Well then load one of your end fitted Dragoons or Walkers up in 45 Colt convertible to 30 K , run 500 rounds down range and show the world open frame guns are just as strong as closed.
You keep harping that end fitting is the absolute strengthening factor so here is a chance to prove your contention.. Lets not stop at plus P loads lets go full throttle and see if the open frames will hold up when arbor end fitted.
Solid frame 73 clones do.

 

[45D]

The Iver Johnson Cattlemen was a model of Colt Clone chambered in 44 Mag I have shot. A close friend owned one and loved it using the hottest safe loads he could make for it.
He did break a trigger spring I had to replace though and as far as I know that was the only trouble he had with the gun.
Uberti makes one as well I believe.

Only problem is, we're discussing the 45C round. The Colt SAA, Pietta copy and many others can't handle 45C +p ammo. A Walker or Dragoon in .429" caliber could easily handle 44Mag and they easily handle 45C +p. Lots of difference between .429" and .452" (Colt SAA has never been offered in .44Mag.). Uberti's SAA copies have larger diameter cyls. and can handle 45C +p.

Mike

 

[45D]

Well then load one of your end fitted Dragoons or Walkers up to 30 K , run 500 rounds down range and show the world open frame guns are . . .
Solid frame 73 clones do.

No they don't. No SAA copies can shoot Ruger only loads.

Mike

 

[M. De Land]

No they don't. No SAA copies can shoot Ruger only loads.

Mike

They sure do, I've worked on and fired full throttle 44 mag loads in a 44 Mag Iver Johnson Cattleman ( beefed up 73 Colt clone) revolver and have a Ruger Bisley that I regularly fire 45 Colt magnum level loads in. The point being the design will stand the pressure if the frame is appropriately strengthened to support it which is not true of the open frame design.
I can provide .45 Colt load data at 30K that will work in your Dragoon chambered in .45 Colt if the Kurst cylinder is proofed for that level. I don't believe the wedge or arbor will stand the pressure for long even if the cylinder will .
This reminds me of a friend pressure testing a Springfield Trapdoor rifle. It held some terribly over pressured loads for a while and then came apart in spectacular fashion. It finally blew then they cautiously walked closer to investigate when all of a sudden the breech block came back to earth with a thud in the dirt right beside them.

 

[45D]

They sure do, I've worked on and fired full throttle 44 mag loads in a 44 Mag Iver Johnson Cattleman ( beefed up 73 Colt clone) revolver and have a Ruger Bisley that I regularly fire 45 Colt magnum level loads in.

A .44Mag isn't .45 caliber .

A Ruger isn't a SAA copy.

I can provide .45 Colt load data at 30K that will work in your Dragoon chambered in .45 Colt if the Kurst cylinder is proofed for that level. I don't believe the wedge or arbor will stand the pressure for long even if the cylinder will .

I've been a reloader for 40 years . . . I've got plenty of information . . .

Mike

 

[Dude]

Just because there hasn't been an open top chambered for magnum loads isn't proof the design is weaker. True statement?

The 1873 Colt can't shoot magnum loads without beefing up the frame. It can't even handle +P loads. True statement?

The Walker CAN handle +P loads. True?

If those three statements are true, then the Walker must be stronger than the 73 Colt.

I didn't say "a beefed up" 73 Colt. I said a 73 Colt chambered in 45C.

I don't see how anyone can argue the open top is a weaker design than the top straps with the evidence presented.

 

[Dickydalton]

You guys are being trolled by an empty gumball machine...

 

[Dude]

You guys are being trolled by an empty gumball machine...

Very true.
On the other hand, it can be fun taunting a troll.
I do like MDL, don't get me wrong. But his refusal of this being a strong design is baffling.

 

[D Yager]

His about face on the short arbor not being an issue is baffling as well. I do like the "empty gumball machine machine" remark, that one is unique.