Lock quality on a InvestArm Hawken?

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Want sparks? radioactive soleplate on the flint frizzen...does it even with a wet rock from the creek.
 
Get what makes your heart go a flutter. Off you like brass, get brass. You ain’t hiding’ from injuns.
Thanks, this IS after all about wants and itch scratching vs "need". That said, I actually prefer steel furniture to brass but kits are what they are. I liked the Santa Fe kit due to its light weight and smaller caliber but a 50 cal Gemmer isn't off the table completely. ( I've got a bad shoulder and am a little recoil sensitive.) If I do a brass kit, I'll darken it up vs polish it anyway. No rush I guess, I'll be working on my SMR for some time to come. The metal work is a slow process.
 
Thanks, this IS after all about wants and itch scratching vs "need". That said, I actually prefer steel furniture to brass but kits are what they are. I liked the Santa Fe kit due to its light weight and smaller caliber but a 50 cal Gemmer isn't off the table completely. ( I've got a bad shoulder and am a little recoil sensitive.) If I do a brass kit, I'll darken it up vs polish it anyway. No rush I guess, I'll be working on my SMR for some time to come. The metal work is a slow process.
May wanna rethink the Santa Fe if weights a issue my production model weighs 9.7 pounds.
 
May wanna rethink the Santa Fe if weights a issue my production model weighs 9.7 pounds.
Thanks, I'm already rethinking it. The near complete lack of owner info on these rifles scares me. Their website is as useless ass teats on a bull as well. The muzzleloaders.com site says the rifle weighs in a 7.6# but reports here are touting 9#. Given the barrels are listed the same 15/16 diameter as the 9.1# 50 cal gemmer, I have no doubt your right on with that figure. I think I'll wait to see what Kibler puts out later this year. At least there, I know I'm going to get exactly what I expect.
As an aside, It really urks me that a company the size of Investarms (or Mussleloaders-com for that matter) can't put useful and accurate info on their websites. It indicates a lack of commitment to customer service IMHO.
 
Thanks, I'm already rethinking it. The near complete lack of owner info on these rifles scares me. Their website is as useless ass teats on a bull as well. The muzzleloaders.com site says the rifle weighs in a 7.6# but reports here are touting 9#. Given the barrels are listed the same 15/16 diameter as the 9.1# 50 cal gemmer, I have no doubt your right on with that figure. I think I'll wait to see what Kibler puts out later this year. At least there, I know I'm going to get exactly what I expect.
As an aside, It really urks me that a company the size of Investarms (or Mussleloaders-com for that matter) can't put useful and accurate info on their websites. It indicates a lack of commitment to customer service IMHO.
Yeah I was kind of surprised but talk about no recoil.
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Locks....Coil spring or Leaf spring? I have my old T\C Hawken that was acquired in the late '70s and it still has the factory coil spring lock. It goes bang almost every time I pull the trigger. If it doesn't usually it's something I wasn't paying attention to.

I also have 4 other''s with leaf spring locks. IMHO, as amateur as that is, I prefer the leaf springs much more.

A properly tuned leaf spring lock has most of the "pull poundage" from "rest to half-cock". The pull poundage from half-cock to full-cock should actually be much less than the initial pull. Where a coil spring lock will have a constant increasing pull poundage as it's pulled back.

For the most part, a hunting rifle matters not much as long as it goes bang when you pull the trigger. But for ease of use a properly tuned leaf spring lock is my preference.
 
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Locks....Coil spring or Leaf spring? I have my old T\C Hawken that was acquired in the late '70s and it still has the factory coil spring lock. It goes bang almost every time I pull the trigger. If it doesn't usually it's something I wasn't paying attention to.

I also have 4 other''s with leaf spring locks. IMHO, as amateur as that is, I prefer the leaf springs much more.

A properly tuned leaf spring lock has most of the "pull poundage" from "rest to half-cock". The pull poundage from half-cock to full-cock should actually be much less than the initial pull. Where a coil spring lock will have a constant increasing pull poundage as it's pulled back.

For the most part, a hunting rifle matters not much as long as it goes bang when you pull the trigger. But for ease of use a properly tuned leaf spring lock is my preference.
I have two T/C Hawken flintlocks, which are very similar to Investarms, they're serviceable, and usually reliable, the only issues have been the tiny fly tends to work itself loose during long shooting sessions, and fall out causing the hammer to fall to half-cock when the set trigger is used. This was a frustrating until I figured out what was happening, now I recognize what's happening and know what to do. Also, I think the spring is a bit stronger than it needs to be, which is hard on both flints and the Frizzen. Am sure a skilled and experienced gunsmith could probably tune the lock to correct these issues. I have debated whether to have it tuned, replace it with an L&R or other lock, or just enjoy it as is, until I can eventually get a Kibler kit or custom gun.
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I have two T/C Hawken flintlocks, which are very similar to Investarms, they're serviceable, and usually reliable, the only issues have been the tiny fly tends to work itself loose during long shooting sessions, and fall out causing the hammer to fall to half-cock when the set trigger is used. This was a frustrating until I figured out what was happening, now I recognize what's happening and know what to do. Also, I think the spring is a bit stronger than it needs to be, which is hard on both flints and the Frizzen. Am sure a skilled and experienced gunsmith could probably tune the lock to correct these issues. I have debated whether to have it tuned, replace it with an L&R or other lock, or just enjoy it as is, until I can eventually get a Kibler kit or custom gun.
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If that's a pic of your rifle, then you have the "old style" T\C Hammer. Look at that pic in post #2 on this thread: https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/flintlock-t-c-renegade-54-questions.131361/ and you can see the difference in old vs new hammers.

The new hammer gives a slight change to the lock geometry of the lock, and is easier on flints than the model you have. I have the "new model" hammer. I can't recall if I swapped that out or if it's the original one that came with my kit rifle.
 
Based on @JDBraddy's photo, the flint is too far forward and holding the frizzen open at half cock. The heavy leather holding the flint in place needs a notch at the jaw screw to set the flint back so the frizzen can close. A piece of leather lacing under the back edge of the flint will change the striking angle of the flint to be more scraping than bashing for better spark.
 
If that's a pic of your rifle, then you have the "old style" T\C Hammer. Look at that pic in post #2 on this thread: https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/flintlock-t-c-renegade-54-questions.131361/ and you can see the difference in old vs new hammers.

The new hammer gives a slight change to the lock geometry of the lock, and is easier on flints than the model you have. I have the "new model" hammer. I can't recall if I swapped that out or if it's the original one that came with my kit rifle.
Looks like I have one of each.
 

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Does one seem to eat more flints than the other? And both have the fly issue?
Both have the fly issue, the top one is noticably worse about it though. bottom one has both the new style cock, and a lighter coil spring, it is much easier on flints, and scores about 90% of Frizzen surface, the top one only scores 50% of Frizzen surface. The top one is a .45cal, the bottom is a .50cal, the .50cal has a home made breech, and has a flash hole placement issue.
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I definitely shoot the .45cal more, will probably swap out the locks.
 
When I put a GM drop in barrel on my T\C the pan alignment was a big wonky. I then installed a T\C flash hole liner....the one's you put in with an Allen wrench. As long as the pan goes "poof" the rifle will go "Bang". If you can acquire one of those flash hole liners you may wish to do that.

I've never had the fly issue you report. How do you fix this apparently constant issue?

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When I put a GM drop in barrel on my T\C the pan alignment was a big wonky. I then installed a T\C flash hole liner....the one's you put in with an Allen wrench. As long as the pan goes "poof" the rifle will go "Bang". If you can acquire one of those flash hole liners you may wish to do that.

I've never had the fly issue you report. How do you fix this apparently constant issue?

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The fly being a tiny little part with a pin that slips into a hole supposedly kept in place with the edge of a cover plate, with repeated firing tends to work its way out from under the edge of the plate and out of the hole, fortunately it is usually captured within the inletted space, usually I just pull the lock, loosen the cover plate, and slip it back into place. I keep a spare in my kit just in case it is lost.
 
My .54 Deerstalker has a great fast reliable lock on it. I have upgraded to TCs with L&R locks and they are lightning fast too. I'd say unless your having problems with the Investarms lock leave it. May need to be tuned if you know how to do that.
 
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