Lodge Pole Pine ?

[Stan N]

H I There
Does anyone know of a place in Wisconsin that sells lodge pole pine ? I'm looking for poles for my lean to.I know I can go out and cut trees down in the woods but I like the way these look.
Thanks Stan
PS or Iowa or Minn.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Your two states to far east I think. Vary western South Dakota is, I think, the eastern most edge of the lodge pole pine's range. You might get them shipped to you I guess.

I don't know if they are farmed east of that :idunno:

 

[Stan N]

O ok I thought they were from Wisconsin.
Thanks Stan

 

[Rifleman1776]

What is different about lodge pole pine compared to just plain pine?
I cut some pine trees for my lodge, debarked them and dried them inside. They lasted me more than 20 years before I sold the lodge. Dried they weighed nothing.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

What is different about lodge pole pine compared to just plain pine?
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Hard, stiff wood for pine. This meant that a thinner pole could be used.

Thin bark. When in groves the Lodge Pole is nearly limbless on the bottom two thirds. both nice when your stripping bark & cutting limbs with stone or bone.

 

[satx78247]

I'm not at all sure that young/straight southern yellow pine saplings, cut from a pine thicket in the midst of winter, peeled, dried and as framing of your lodge could be told from lodge pole pine in a year or two.

Yellow pine is hell for strong, straight & very light.

just my opinion, satx

 

[Sean Gadhar]

Yep :hatsoff:

Lodge pole pine were used by Native Americans IMO because they were the best tool for the job, to be found in the area.

If poles were needed 30 sleeps east I would guess other tools (trees) would be used.

Lodge poles pines seem to have been preferred over other trees in the region for the reasons given.

 

[loco6725]

How about tamarack? ? I use it a lot.

 

[satx78247]

In other words, you agree that IF yellow pine, spruce, tamarack or other tall/slim/strong saplings had been reasonably available to the Plains Tribes that lodge pole pine might NOT have been their "preferred choice" for tepee poles???

NONE of my NA ancestors (OR for that matter any of the Woodland and southern Native Nations) ever lived in tepees.
Instead we lived in longhouses, cabins and other "more or less permanent structures", as we were generally NOT "horse nomads" that followed the herds of buffalo.

MOST Native groups from the Eastern Seaboard, across the Southland & west to NM, AZ & CA had NO teepees.
(Teepees were as "foreign" to most Native Nations as yurts & palaces were. = One of the relatively early "inventions" of Eastern Woodland Nations were LOG cabins & POLE buildings.)

yours, satx

 

[tenngun]

Looking at wild loadge poles I note they grow tall and thin. Local southern pine and cedar seem to grow thicker before they get tall. I had to find my poles for my tipis in thick groves, and had a hard time finding them long enough with out being too thick at the base.
I doubt that any native peoples would have demanded "loadge pole pine" and turned down other woods. Photos from the 1870s and 80s often show poles that look bifurcated or multi branched at the top. It makes me wonder if it was cotton wood or aspen, or even willow instread of lodge pole.

 

[satx78247]

At least in SE OK, pines often grow in thickets & are tall/thin/straight/strong, when dried "indoors". = Our OA Lodge cut yellow pine saplings almost a half-century ago that we still use as teepee poles at Ordeal, Brotherhood & Vigil ceremonies.- Those poles are NOT too thick at the base & are still really strong/light.
(Between uses, they are kept in the rafters of our scout camp boathouse.)

IF I decided to buy/make a teepee (I likely will NOT) I wouldn't "go out of my way" to get lodge pole pines, as I don't regard them as "superior" to southern pines.

just my opinion, satx

 

[Stan N]

OK Guys
I found a place in Rhinelander Wis. it is called Noisy Creek Adventures and they have lodge poles. Just in case anyone else is looking. The web site is noisycreekadventures.
Thanks to all Stan

 

[b737tvc]

lodge pole pine do not exist east of the black hills.
most use cedar spruce or tamarack.

 

[b737tvc]

there is a place in rhindlander Wisconsin that provide tipi poles you can do a search for tipi poles in wisconsin. it should come up.

 

[Sean Gadhar]

In other words, you agree that IF yellow pine, spruce, tamarack or other tall/slim/strong saplings had been reasonably available to the Plains Tribes that lodge pole pine might NOT have been their "preferred choice" for tepee poles???

I think like the rest of mankind they would have tried what was available & chosen what they thought was best. Based on their wants, needs, likes, what there grandpa used, what the wife was ok with :wink:

What they would have picked had yellow pine, spruce, tamarack or other tall/slim/strong saplings had been reasonably available :idunno: The best one (to there minds).

I myself got no feeling for lodge pole pine, one way or the other, now juniper & pinion :thumbsup: Pine nuts, fence posts, good fire wood, mule deer, rabbit, & elk can all be found in the JP

 

[Ken Cormier]

I agree with Sax

 

[coloradoclyde]

What they call "lodge pole pine " in wisconsin grow in the swamps of northern wisconsin. they grow tall, staight and skinny. that's why they are called lodge pole pines.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Along the south east coast, there is a tall very straight pine that I have heard called the sand hill pine or bottle brush pine. They have few branches. I have see them as far north as falls church va