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Thanks for your informative reply. I will check my 1861 regarding the stock! Nowadays, many tradition-bound guys probably love the grease hole. I thought it very authentic; it's a rural mountain rifle, not a whiz-bang inlaid Pennsylvania Lancaster! I saw another Dixie TMR LH at a show several years ago at a real good price, but couldn't grab it at the time. I had one at home, but now I buy all sorts of stuff that are 'duplicates'. I bet you could tell some interesting tales of the trade, and wish you a great Holiday season! (My Jack Garner TMR does have a patch box!; mid-1970's by him. )Correction "WAS" a dealer, now long retired and helping to liquidate a sick friends big estate and mine as well. Almost all the "big names" have passed on. Only thing that kept me sane at full time job . Miroku 1861's are well made but some if not all, have 2 piece stocks (hidden under lower band). This was about only complaint we got. Val Forgett Sr (Navy Arms) and i had long discussion about these and he said long stocks were not used due to cost and availability. The dixie TMR's were said to have been made by Miroku as well and reportedly they lost they hind ends due to cost overruns, If you have (or ever offered) one of their products best protect it with your life. The grease hole killed many sales and adding a nice TMR type patchbox may have helped a bunch. Being stamped "made in japan" didn't help back then either.