Made in India?

[tiger13]

Well said

 

[lonehorseman]

Thanks Tiger. It is good to know we can all disagree, but but still share the same campfire at the end of the day.

So, what kind of spinnerbaits do you like? :haha:

 

[ebiggs1]

Not everyone thinks TC guns are great guns today, ”¦

The problem with your assessment of whether they are “great” or not comes solely from them not being 100% HC/PC. That issues is not as important to some of us as it seems to be to folks like you.

 

[ebiggs1]

This has nothing to do with any mockery or snobbery; ”¦

RIGHT! :shocked2:

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Any lawsuits arising from such activity will, most likely, be quickly dismissed and our Justice System will not be further overburdened.

Actually I have to disagree with this assessment..., for the guns are sold by Loyalist Arms, MVTC, and Veteran arms ready to shoot. In fact my last musket came from Loyalist arms with modern touch hole flash guard installed. So if by chance one had a situation warranting a Civil Court action, it would be against the importer/seller, not singly against the manufacturer of the barrel. They advertise them as shooters, sell them ready them to shoot and adapt them to reenactment use, and as such it would not be dismissed. How the barrels arrive from India is moot; the expectations of the buyer based on the product being offered by the vendor is what matters.

LD

 

[lonehorseman]

Agreed! Loyalist would be potentially liable for any mishaps that resulted from the use of a firearm they drilled for firing. Fire away! If you trust their judgement, then there is no argument. I was referring to the many I have seen advertised that come with instructions on how to drill a touchhole. Again, it is a personal decision. Anything fun comes with a certain amount of risk.

 

[lonehorseman]

Unless you are a member of my shooting group you should not question my statement! This thread is about Indian Made guns; not my honor and truthfulness. There are no snobs in my group! No one there gives two craps about the guns others choose to carry. Nothing has to be said. Most intelligent folks figure it out for themselves. As I said...even a novice shooter can tell a good gun from a cheap imitation! There simply is no comparison.

 

[KHickam]

I have one India made gun - a Ketland Trade Pistol and it works very well on vermin and critters(I carry it on my saddle to shoot snakes, skunks and porcupines that my dogs get into) I love the lock, it sparks great and gives the most reliable ignition of my three muzzleloaders (others are custom made with L&R Queen Anne locks) I keep the loads to recommended levels and it works great (loaded with large lead shot - BB size)

 

[Rod Lassey]

I wasn't going to enter into this debate (which will never be resolved....), but Keith's comment mirrors mine. I've got an MVT Ketland pistol, as well, and like it.

When I first got it, I was a bit disappointed, but then I saw the potential---as has been noted, it's best to look at these things as assembled kits. I slimmed and refinished the stock, took the mirror brightness off the steel, and took some of the tension out of out of the sear spring to lighten the trigger pull. Although it's no dueling pistol, it's not meant to be---instead it's a reasonably good rendition of an early 1800s trade pistol. It's actually almost a dead ringer for an original Belgian-made copy of a British Ketland.

Which brings up another point---how accurate, historically, are some of the guns we carry today? For instance, I've yet to see a modern-made (production or custom) trade gun, French or English, without any tumbler bridle whatsoever. Yet most (virtually all) tradeguns up to 1815 or so were made this way. Today we have trade guns with sporting-rifle quality locks. Is this historically correct? Remember that the reason for the enlargement of the NorthWest gun trigger guard was to allow a two-fingered trigger pull. How many of us today would put up with that? I won't even get into what I think of the touch hole liner in guns supposed to be representations of lower priced originals. In short, how much are we kidding ourselves that the guns we use are totally accurate representations of originals? In it's own way, my lowly MVT brass barreled Ketland pistol may be more PC/HC than many of my other guns.

Just food for thought...


Rod

 

[Va.Manuf.06]

Rod, you make good points. There are things insisted upon by modern shooters that simply weren't available "in the day" but that people today wouldn't want to put up with. Personally I wouldn't object to a "bridleless" lock but the average shooter and even many reenactors wouldn't like it or even, in some cases, understand that it was normal. So it goes. There are no production modern locks made that way but The Rifle Shoppe does sell parts sets that are exact copies of original locks and those can be used but, with proper assembly, the cost will be very high, surpassing even a top grade modern factory made lock.

My main objection to the average imported Indian gun is the undeniably questionable quality of the barrel. :dead: Other than that they can be worked with and improved. None are great out of the box but are useable and probably share a lot of qualities of original low cost firearms.

 

[Rod Lassey]

True enough--I avoided this as I have no experience with Indian steel-barreled guns, my pistol being brass barreled.

Of course, it reminds me of the French trade gun in the Museum of the Fur Trade. The barrel blew out (when it was proofed :shocked2, the blowout was filed out and a patch (!!) was dovetailed into place. Passed proofing again, and out the door to the colonies it went. Now there's a barrel that I don't see anyone replicating today!

Rod

 

[ebiggs1]

Most intelligent folks figure it out for themselves.

:hmm:

 

[tiger13]

You know, I used to work on commercial fishing boats, and had a couple of my own years ago, when I lived back in Mass and RI. I never really got into fishing with a rod and reel. Not that I haven't tried it. But I get kind of impatient found it easier to catch em faster with a net...but then again, getting .13 cent a pound for cod..and when I had the lobster boat .75 cent a pound for them and that being a good day, my how times have changed! I dont even think I could tie a spinner bait on a line and get it right! :idunno: