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Garrett Wade. Lots of comments both good and bad. I think most of the problems are quality control. This dual axis vise is an awesome idea that should have been manufactured a little more. Im just going to say from the start that the vise I received was of decent quality for a made in China vise. I took it a step further and made this an awesome vise.

They give you a cheap drill bit and tap to add a metric screw with a plastic knob. The instructions are excellent and leave nothing to question. The only problem is the bit and tap are cheap and you have to go slow and use a lot of cutting oil, once done, i found the provided screw with knob sufficiently long for tapering.

I ground the screw to a point. I just guesstimated the angle.



I then placed the vise on the drum and leveled it for normal use. I put a little in-letting black on the point of the screw and screwed it in. I pulled the vise and drilled a dimple with a 3/16 bit. Just a dimple as you can see in the pics. I then put the vise back on the drum and rotated it up to its furthest position and marked that with the screw and black. I did the same same for the furthest position forward. I removed the vise and drilled those two points. Then drilled a series of dimples along the rotation line.



Now, even with the cheap knob, I can hand tighten the screw in a number of rotating positions and it locks in solid as a rock. I whacked the hell out of it with a ball peen and no movement what so ever.

Here are some pictures of the different positions I drilled.

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Now, I have heard people have had issues with the jaws not lining up. This vise has a screw with lock ring that is under the front jaw. This screw levels and locks rotation when the jaws are tightened. 30 seconds adjusting this screw and you have level jaws on closure.

Now is this vise worth the money, only you can be the judge of that. I was told these improvements are a significant cost increase during manufacturing and that is why they leave it up to you. You can do it if needed, or if you only do light work leave it as is. These mods were super easy, cup of coffee long to do. I am now extremely happy with it. It should serve me for a long time to come. Now to make jaw pads.
 
You gunna build another fullstock Hawken with that stock?
Thanks for the tips! :hatsoff:
 
That will work for light duty stuff. But you need a BIG vice about 32" away for doing other things. Also I prefer to keep my stocks in 2 vices all of the time. Don't have to hold them as tight & more secure when held by 2.

Also nice to put a piece of 2x4 vert. off edge of the bench & down past it, & get the vice over off the bench, This way you can hole thing vert. & not having the bench in the way.

Keith Lisle
 
That's what I like about this vise. It can also lay horizontal holding the stock over the edge vertical. I have a bench edge vice I can move to either side to hold the end of the stock. It works for me for now. Im not building rifles like you guys. Just one here and there for fun. I also have two benches now so I can do other thing without disturbing the build. I dont do any heavy stuff at all.



In horizontal position.


 
excellent engineering. I think you did well with
correcting the situation...Good on you and thanks.
Wulf
 
Good R&D to alter that vise.......

Sure you will only build every now and then..... :surrender:
Marc
 
Have been building MLers since 1976 and have never needed most of the "positions" that you show. Besides, showing all these positions w/o any outboard support doesn't lend itself to "real work". To accomplish shaping a stock, the entire stock/bbl assembly needs support in addition to a vise. When the bbl is in the stock which is normal for most of the shaping, that vise will not support the assembly w/o outboard support. Your pics are just of the stock.....which is not the way that a LR is built.

I have one of these vises and it's not a versatile vise....light work yes...heavier shaping work, no.......Fred
 
Very clever - I like it and will do it to my vises - thanks for the pictures - here is my set-up.
 
I have one of these that I use a lot and this is a good idea. While I don't use the tilt all that much, it was difficult to get it locked into place if you put much pressure on it. This tip should solve the problem.

I picked up these tilting jaws the other day and like them: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DD4ZV/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It won't replace my patternmakers vise once I get things rounded, but it has it's uses.
 
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Well Fred, it works for me. Ill just keep my up dates to myself. Ive only built 3 guns anyway!!! glad you have what works for you. and did you not see the pics of my outboard support. Have a good day
 
I think your workshop is really shaping up, looks like a fun place. Lots of pleasant times to be had in there! I have been building things since I was about 8 , and have xacto blade scars to prove it! :wink: and just now, in my late years do I have nice place to work on my present hobby.

Some on this talk forum will try to make you feel bad or insufficient with what tools you have....just invite them to mail you "better tools" ....if that's what they wish!
Heck, I'll take all the rasps and files, anvils, vises, shop benches, gouges that anybody wants to see me be using!!!
:haha:

You just keep right building and doing what you feel good at....and oh....if someone reading this wants to send me a couple of those cabinet rasps......they're only $130.00 each...PM me, and I'll give you my address :grin:
It'll make me do better work!!! :rotf: :rotf: :haha:
Marc
 
Oh man....I see that mill and lathe in the background.....now I'm envious !

I see visions of turned pipes, milled flats on barrels, supercool wedding bands..... :hmm:

Marc
 
My oh my....just my observations and I did see your outboad support in one pic.

Like I said....I have that same vise, use it for light duty work and never tilt it at all.

Glad it works for you.......Fred
 
Sorry Fred . Been a rough day. Should have waited to post untill I settled down. Didn't mean to be an a@@. I don't do any hard shaping so it should work ok . If I was roughing out stock blanks I'd probably like a better set up. All I've done are precarves with light finish shaping. I do all kinds of craft stuff also and it will work good as an all around. I know others had this vise and thought it was a good updrade/ fix for them, if they hadn't done it. You still the man. Or at least one of the men in my eyes. :hatsoff:
 
Hi...many ways to skin a cat.Yes....precarves don't require a whole lot of heavy wood removal and what you have probably will do the job.

I've got a very "heavy hand" when working from a blank, although once through the bandsaw, only the buttstock requires a lot of wood removal. In fact, had to bolt the bench down to not only the wall but also to the floor.

One of the last things done is to fully inlet the lock for the internals....that way it's stronger and better able to withstand the "heavy handed" butt shaping.

Good luck w/ your builds and my apologies seeing I might have been too "heavy handed".......Fred
 
It took me many years and a divorce (after 39+ years) to get to where I am today :haha: . I started with a 3" X 18" Atlas lathe when I was 14 and traded up along the way to the 12" X 36" Jet that you see. Yes, I do make a LOT of "stuff" with it and the rest of the equipment (a lot of other equipment you don't see). Now that I am retired after 44.5 years in the Aerospace industry I can devote more time to ME :hatsoff: !
 
nice mod! been thinking about a new vise ... now I'm closer to the tipping point ... (yes, go to pun hell ... go directly to pun hell; do not pass Go, do not collect $200...)
 
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