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This is from "Brogans or Hi-Lows"... and Crockett wondered how difficult it would be to make one's own shoes/laced boots?

Artificer mentioned it would first require making lasts, and suggested a new thread on this, so....

I wonder if today a person couldn't take a pair of leather shoes that fit well, then coat the inside with Vaseline, and then pour in some resin to create lasts... then if one wanted, have those put on a duplicating lathe to have them turned into wood??

Doesn't Book 6 of the Foxfire books have a chapter on shoemaking?

LD
 
LD,

One problem I see with using resin to "cast" a shoe last is you might wind up with a "modern" form/shape for the last that was not used in some time periods. For example, I guess if you used a round toed shoe cast last for a round toed shoe, it would work, though?

Another problem with such a "cast" last would be getting it out of the shoe. I imagine you would have to cast the last in two or three parts to get it out because the last would not be flexible enough to get out of the shoe - unless you didn't mind cutting the shoe apart. You would also have to cast two such segmented lasts for a "right" and "left" foot.

Original shoe lasts, as far as what I have seen in originals and authentic reproductions at CW - were straight last and then the Cordwainer tacked leather onto them to fit the individual's right and left feet when he made the shoes that way.

More info coming.
Gus
 
In the 70’s to early 80's, I was trying to figure out how to make hand sewn shoes (and if I wanted to try my hand at it) as I was already making some historic leather items to help "pay for my hobby." I had already made leather 18th and early 19th century sword and bayonet scabbards, sword and bayonet hangers, blocked 19th century cap pouches and cartridge boxes to give an example of the range I worked on. Actually making the wooden forms for the blocked leather items and using them to make accurate copies of the 19th century cap and cartridge boxes was some of the best experience I had that would somewhat transfer over to shoe making. I was not and am not a trained Saddle maker or Leather Worker, just a somewhat advanced amateur.

I spent quite a lot of time in the Cordwainer's Shop at Colonial Williamsburg and the Cobbler's Shop in "Old Salem" at Winston Salem, NC. The Head Cordwainer at CW found a kindred spirit in me and actually gave me some training in leather working and I spent a lot of time there during different visits. I did not spend as much time in the Cobbler’s shop at “Old Salem,” in part as I was primarily interested in finding out additional information they could provide. So I offer the following information more as a report, rather than a comprehensive technical package.

During the 18th century, the trades of Cordwainers and Cobblers were two distinctly different, though related trades. Cordwainers actually designed and made shoes to order for individual customers while Cobblers were considered inferior to Cordwainers and mostly repaired shoes. (I can imagine if you called a Cordwainer by the term Cobbler, you would have REALLY been in for it. Grin.) Repair normally means replacing heels and soles when necessary and in the case of soles, if enough upper leather was left or could be stretched so that the uppers would still fit the person.

Cordwainers had some sophisticated measuring tools they used to measure the customer’s feet. They would write down the measurements and then carve a last to fit that person’s foot. Of course, a customer paid extra when the last had to be made, BUT the last was saved by the Cordwainer and used again when the customer ordered more shoes. So additional or future shoes would not cost as much as when the last had to be made for the first pair of shoes. The last was also made so as to make whatever style of toe and shoe that was then fashionable and appeared “well formed and smooth” to the eye. Leather would be tacked onto and later removed from the last to fit it to the right and left feet. Lasts made for childrens’ shoes would be saved and used for other customers children as they grew. A Master Cordwainer’s Shop would have had a large selection of lasts on hand.

Of course, if there were special fitting necessary for one foot over the other, the Cordwainer could do that. Some of the work done by CW Cordwainers over the years has been for people with Orthopedic problems and they reported that modern Orthopedic shoes are not nearly as well fitting and comfortable as those made by 18th century Cordwainer standards. Of course, learning to measure customer’s feet and making proper lasts no doubt were a huge part of the Apprenticeship to become a true Cordwainer.

I was somewhat surprised to learn that while Cordwainers stocked leather hides to make shoes, it was not uncommon that people would supply hides and leave them with the Cordwainer to make shoes for their selves and their families. Of course the price of shoes made from Customers’ leather was less than if the Cordwainer had to supply the leather.

No doubt that even the simplest shoes, made by a real Cordwainer, were the most expensive shoes made in the 18th century. However, they also were no doubt the best fitting and best made shoes that would last a long time. I can not document this, but I always got the impression one almost had to have been of at least middle class to afford such shoes. Oh, Cordwainers shoes often did not have cleats on the soles, because they would have torn up the wood floors in period houses. Of course they could add them if the customer wanted them, though.

Due to the cost of Cordwainer’s shoes, I also got the impression they stayed in Towns where there were enough Customers to support their business. I did ask if there was documentation of Journeymen Cordwainers traveling at least to the homes of the wealthy to make shoes for them and going from say one plantation to another. The information I got was that the wealthy came to the Cordwainers Shops in town and got their feet measured and picked up the shoes or had them delivered when they were done. Journeymen Cordwainers were more likely to travel to larger settled areas to set up shop as the population moved westward, if they did not stay in their Master’s Shop for most or all of their career.

More coming.
Gus
 
Much of the information I have on 18th century Cobblers comes from visiting the Cobbler’s Shop at Old Salem. When I visited there in the mid 80’s, they were not making buckled shoes as they were concentrating on what the Moravian settlers there wore in the early era after the town was begun being built in 1766. The information they had was the early Moravians did not wear buckled shoes as buckled shoes were considered too fancy or maybe too prideful or too uppity to wear. I am probably not doing a great job of describing it and I apologize for that, but perhaps one can simply say they had religious objections to other than plainer items of clothing.

The shoes they were making to replicate what the Moravian Settlers wore were anywhere from having three to five holes per side for laces. (Looking at their current website, I see pairs of buckled shoes they are now making.) The toes were somewhat, though not completely rounded. Maybe this was a transitional period from the rounded to more square toes? I am sorry to report I didn’t ask about that. During the period, these shoes may have been described as “rural” shoes, indicating they were not in high fashion, but good serviceable shoes.

The Head Cobbler there made a point in saying they were Cobblers and not Cordwainers. I pressed further to see what his distinction was as to difference and basically it meant that while they made complete shoes and boots, they were not as well fitted as a Cordwainer could do. One interesting story the Head Cobbler mentioned that they had documented was one customer offered to clear cut the trees and brush from a large plot of land to pay for the shoes. Both the Cobbler and customer deemed it a good deal.

Another story he told was not directly related to Cobblers, but was very interesting. It seemed some Native Americans brought in hides to trade and they were working out a deal with a merchant. However, before the deal was struck, the merchant went to a Church meeting and was informed he was not allowed to pay as much as he originally offered. The NA’s believed they were being cheated by the Church. It seems the Moravian Church in at least Old Salem in the early years, set fixed prices on goods and services for all Church members. The idea was that people would get a fair compensation for their goods or services and no Church Member would/could charge unfair/greedy prices ”“ which was seen as a violation of Moravian Church Principles. The Church Members wanted their settlement to be known for honest and fair prices. The Head Cobbler also noted this was one of the first uses of fixed prices for goods and services in a town in the 18th century. But I digress and back to the shoes.

There was one big difference in construction technique they used vs Colonial Williamsburg I noticed right off the bat. At Old Salem, their shoes had hand sewing going through the soles where you could see the stitching on the bottom of the soles. That meant the stitches were more exposed to abrasion and water/mud damage. I am not completely sure about this, but I think the stitches on the bottom of the soles were in grooves, though, to keep down direct abrasion on the thread when walking. The method that CW cordwainers used to sew the soles to the upppers was to slice into the leather along the outer side of the sole and go up through the sliced leather to sew the uppers on. The soles were then glued where the leather had been sliced to get a solid sole. That meant the stitching did not protrude through the bottom of the sole and the stitching was not directly exposed to abrasion or water/mud damage.

Unlike Cordwainers, some Cobblers moved around from settlement to settlement as other Iterant Tradesmen did. They would stay at one place while they repaired the shoes for the people in that area and then moved on when their work was finished. Cobblers did not carry large numbers of shoe lasts, measuring instruments and a lot of leather; and thus could move around to ply their trade. Sometimes or even eventually, they did wind up staying and setting up shop as the populace moved westward.

Gus
 
There are members of groups in the US that are at present learning the old trade of shoe making to supply shoes for their own units .
 
I had one time thought of giving shoe making a try. After all I've made moccs, how hard could it be? Then I started to reserch it...whew,yeah I think I will buy shoes.
Looking at 'Taos' shoes or New Mexican shoes, that are a version of today 'south westren' mocc and the French canadian oxhide shoes I have to wonder how many non mocc'shoes' were worn through America and Europe back in the day.
 
Many Medieval to 17th century "common peoples' shoes" in Europe were very much like moccasins, though of course the wealthy had fine quality and finely fitted shoes especially towards the 17th century.

I am VERY glad we have the modern folks making accurate reproduction shoes, boots and moccasins nowadays. After looking at what they sell them for, I decided it was not worth my time to try to make period shoes. However, I admire the people who do make them well.

Gus
 
tenngun said:
...Looking at 'Taos' shoes or New Mexican shoes, that are a version of today 'south westren' mocc and the French canadian oxhide shoes I have to wonder how many non mocc'shoes' were worn through America and Europe back in the day.

Are you speaking of the lace-up "Santa Fe boots" from Hanson's Sketchbook, or the pueblo-style wrap-closure moccasins? They both use the same style of sole, but the uppers are different.
 
Yes those are the type. I don't know if 'southwestren' mocc were an adaptation of new Mexican shoes or visa versa. Or if both was an adaption of southern hard sole moccs or all was an adaption of French oxhide shoes spreading out of the louiisana territory. I grew up in new mexico, and saw a lot of anasize moccs that didn't look at all like pueblo moccs. (we should say ancestral pueblo now) Nor have I ever seen a European shoe that looked like the newmexican shoe. So was it an independent invention, or was it the child of some other style. Hmmm
 
I make my own straight lasts and use originals for the smaller shoes I make (I wear a 13 1/2 US boot).

There is nothing difficult about making shoes....it's just tedious work.

Here are some ca. 1810 hessian boots I wrapped up recently and a common shoe I made for my wife this past weekend.

common shoe, lasted

Common shoe, complete

Hessians before binding the tops in silver lace

Working on the boots and shoes the past couple of weekends:
The finished hessians can be seen to the right of my chair.

closing an upper


The way I make the lasts is just out of 2x material and rasp them to shape.

Cody
 
Are lasts even necessary if you are not making "turned shoes"?

With Dodderidge's famous statement about every family making their own shoes, I can imagine them making the simpler style of shoe where the upper is stitched straight to the sole on the outside.

This is supposed to be a mid-18th century shoe from Switzerland:
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Here's an early 18th century German shoe which appears to me to be sewn on the outside, since the stitching shows all the way around even around the heel. Maybe not, though, it's a fuzzy picture.
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It may even be a wooden heel.
 
Stophel said:
Are lasts even necessary if you are not making "turned shoes"?

With Dodderidge's famous statement about every family making their own shoes, I can imagine them making the simpler style of shoe where the upper is stitched straight to the sole on the outside.

First, thanks for the great pictures of the original shoes! They demonstrate the kind of outside stitching that went all the way around the shoe I referred to above from Old Salem and they called "rural" shoes.

I am not a Cordwainer and not even a Cobbler, but I can see how shoes could have been made without lasts as long as they were too large and perhaps or even probably misshapen when compared to last made shoes. Now for children with constantly growing feet, an annual pair of shoes probably was made too large to allow the child's foot to grow until the next year's shoes were made. Also, children and even adults often went barefoot on the frontier when they could - so larger shoes with more room in them allowed for thicker socks or other items to be stuffed into them for cold periods.

Gus
 
Do you mean tools or leather or lasts or what? Not trying to be nitpicky, but your question covers a WHOLE lot of information. :wink:

Some of the Best Tools are by Joseph Dixon and the US distributor is : http://www.boothandco.com/index.php

There are shoe lasts on the Internet, but I have NO experience using any of them or how to use them. I have made lasts for cap boxes, cartridge boxes, bayonet and sword scabbards, holsters and some other things over the years, but that is not the same thing.

The only "pure" Cobblers Tool I own is my Grandfather's Cast Iron stand with foot pad on it to replace leather heels.

Gus
 
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