Minor request.

If anyone knows of the site www.bbairguns.com and has any feedback I'd appreciate it.
I thought I had a "deal" on an airgun, but the seller refuses to confirm an addy other than P.O.Box, refused to confirm a pone number, will accpet nothing but PayPal, not even certified check or money order. :hmm: :hmm:
Makes me VERY suspicious. I've bought a lot of things from various auctions and NEVER once had a money order refused.
Anyone have experience with PayPal. I reserached it and found sites with horror stories about frozen checking accounts. There is right now a HUGE class action lawsuit against PayPal for locking up peoples checking accounts.
Any experience with PayPal???

 

[Claude Mathis]

The registered owner of the domain name bbairguns.com is...

B&K Sales
2112 Ford St.
Pea Ridge, AR 72751

[email protected]
479-451-1567

 

(paypalsucks.com)

1. According to PayPal accepting their ToS (Terms of Service) in effect means you waive your rights to credit card consumer protection laws, and that you may not issue a chargeback for unauthorized use of your credit card and PayPal account. Is this legal? We don't know. But it's how Paypal operates.

:yakyak:

 

[atr]

http://www.airguns.net/class_ad.html

 

[Stumpkiller]

I've used PayPal, but I chose not to give them any of my account numbers. That's just too "connected" for my level of paranoia. As a means of transferring funds on a "per-check" transaction with a debit card I've had good luck and not been burned . . . yet.

As far as airguns ( :, did you know Beeman sells factory re-conditioned used guns? $60 to $100 is a lot easier to swallow for a pellet rifle than $200 to $300!

 

[roundball]

Interesting topic...sounds like you guys have some experience...I'd like to ask a couple questions:
1) What is the most consistently accurate brand and model of pellet rifle?
2) What is the most practical type...ie: manual pump action, single shot, etc?

 

[Zonie]

Once upon a time, when I had good vision, I thought I would like to buy a precision air rifle.
They had a air rifle demo booth at the National NRA convention so I got to talking to one of the guys there. On the table, they had some soiled doilys and the guy asked me if I would like to shoot one of their (expensive) guns.
When I said I would, he picked up one of the doilys and hung it from a wire about 25 feet away saying "aim at the bullseye".
Well, the dirty spot he was calling a bullseye had disappeared so I started to aim at the center of the target as my finger groped for the trigger. I felt something brush against my finger and POP! the gun fired.
Retreving my target the guy pointed out that I had missed the soiled spot by about 1 inch.
He then showed me some targets shot by real competitors where all 5 shots were inside the dot that wasn't any bigger than the pellet. That's when I decided I would just stick with my Sharadon and go back to thinning out the sparrow population. At least I can see them. ::

 

[atr]

Roundball , the most consistantly accurate airguns are pre-charged pneumatics . Basically you have a small tank or reservior on your gun that is precharged from 2,800 to 3,200 psi . Takes a specialized pump to charge them as scuba pumps will only generate about 2,600 psi . Some dive shops and fire departments have higher rated pumps . If you can't find one you're left with a pump that looks like a bicycle pump . It's a good workout but that's the way most guys go . The number of shots you'll get from a charge is determined by the caliber and the velocity setting . All competition shooters on the national or international level use precharged pneumatics . Probably as consistantly accurate as precharged pneumatics are co2 guns but co2 is very temperature sensitive so as the temperature rises and falls so does your velocity and elevation . For high end competition guns you must have a thick wallet . Not too bad if we take a step down into the hunting realm with precharged pneumatics . Take a look at the Career rifles . Guys hunt deer with those in larger calibers . The next step down is springers but you can get some amazing accuracy from a spring gun . I have a few springers that will shoot under one inch 5 shot groups at 50 yards . Unlike precharged pneumatics or co2 guns , springers are hold sensitive . They can't be held tightly like an ordinary rifle , they must be allowed to bounce . It's referred to as the artillery hold . As far as the ability to take small game , my R9 is scoped with a Baush & Lomb Elite 4200 6 x 24 x 40 . It shoots Crosman Premier Light pellets at 940 fps and i've taken rabbits with headshots out to 65 yards . Some springers are sidelever , underlever and breakbarrel . I prefer breakbarrels because the length of the barrel gives a mechanical advantage to cocking and a more powerfull spring can be used . There are underlevers that are quite powerfull also . Some enjoy the ease of cocking of a less powerfull gun and go strictly for accuracy . Basically you get what you pay for . I just bough a cheap springer that is quite powerfull and accurate but it has lots of plastic and a 10 pound trigger .

 

[roundball]

Very educational...not interested in high end competition, but definitely a good quality .22cal pellet rifle I could scope and take a squirrel out of the top of a tree 30-40 yards away in my neighborhood, etc...just can't use .22cal rimfire rifles anymore in these urban ares...safety issues aside, as soon as anyone hears a rifle in this day and age, they call 911

 

[atr]

http://www.silverstreaksports.com/

Call the fellow that owns this place . He is the most honest , reputable airgun dealer anywhere with prices as good as anyone but most forget about you as soon as they've made a sale . Marty is geat to deal with and you'll never have a problem with service , warrenty or customization .

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537

There are many airgun forums on the net but most are owned by guys that sell a particular kind or brand . On the above forum you can ask any question about any gun and guys will be more than happy to help.

http://www.straightshooters.com/index.html

I've done a fair ammount of business with the guys in the above link and there site is worth looking at to see some of the guns out there . If you have a problem with a gun you buy from them it's between you and the factory , they don't do warrenty work .
Career is a specific model of precharged pneumatic that is built like a tank and lots of folks use them for hunting . Marty is the only guy i'd buy one from because he is one of the only airsmiths that knows everything there is to know about them . Many precharged pneumatics approach .22 long rifle in powder but aren't regulated as firearms so you can put a silencer on and not bother your neighbours . Silencers only work on precharged pneumatics and co2 , they don't work on springers .

 

[roundball]

That's great...I've cut / pasted / saved for reference, thank you!

 

[Stumpkiller]

Roundball,

The .22 cal is a good choice for hunting. I like the .177 for what I need. When a neighbor raises an eyebrow I can say "It's just a BB gun" in honesty ("BB" is a recognized caliber, not just the projectile.) I use heavy Beeman Kodiak pellets (10.6 gr - most .22 pellets are about 14, and the normal .177 is around 8.5 gr) and they will ZOT a squirrel at 40 yards with a headshot. If you're not hitting them it doesn't matter when the pellet gets there.

If you find a gun you like, try contacting Beeman for their reconditioned rifles Beeman used airguns list. You can save 50 to 75% off a new gun for one that has cosmetic flaws but had been reconditioned mechanically. Not a bad deal.

Accuracy falls off fast as pellets get over 1,000 fps. The spoud barrier is 1,080 fpl, and pellets aren't designed to buck the turbulance of crossing that barrier like a spitser bullet. I like 850 to 900 fps as a compromise of accuracy with power. Chesk out a GS950 in .22 cal as a good field/small game airgun.

Iron sighted pellet guns are great fun and the trajectory isn't far off from a PRB over the first 60 yards or so. A wonderful way to practice in the back yard after work.

Oh come on, Zonie! The 8, 9 and 10 rings of a 25 ft air rifle target are as big as a quarter. If you're shootin out the eyes of jackrabbits at 25 yards - three times that distance - with your flinter, that should be no problem at all. ::

There is a Korean company getting 1,000 fps with a .45 cal roundball! Now they're getting serious.