More on goex

[Crowtalks]

Lmao.
Yeah, I see a lot of that here. Some worse than others. That certainly wasn't the worst of them. I've seen some posts I've just given up on, Chinese instruction manuals translated by a Chinese speaker with 4th grade English as a second language can make more sense.

Proof reading isn't a bad thing folks.
A couple months ago I found myself in a multi page battle that could have been avoided if I'd proof read a topic reply. The while thing was because I thought one thing but wrote something different.

(I had quoted the wrong post, and couldn't figure out how to delete it...so hey there!)

 

[Capnball]

Sometimes I go to the local range and see young guys shooting every kind of AR clone under the sun. Then some old lion shows up, ragged mane, a little slower, a little more deliberate in the way he moves. He carries a well worn buck skin rifle bag, missing rows of tassels from years of protecting what's inside from damage. He flips open the end of the bag and withdraws the heavy octagonal barreled fire arm with the deep richly figured furniture accented by buttery smooth antique brass fixtures like decorations on a holiday tree. He pulls the color case hardened Hammer to half ****, flips the frizzen forward exposing the pan and touch hole, burnt black and grey from countless sparks like signals from the brain commanding it's heart to beat. A small puff of air into the pan and touch hole, more like a signal from one old lion to another, it's time!
He clears the weapon with gnarled hands sliding the ramrod home till it bounces just a touch off the face of the breech plug. His possibles bag hangs on his right side with his powder horn next to it. He pops the top off his horn and pours black powder into a hollowed out elk antler to the brim then pours it down the barrel tapping the but on the ground just once to settle the powder on the bottom. Next he grabs the small walnut block hanging around his neck with nine patched, lubed, lead balls in a neat three by three order and places a ball just over the muzzle. A practiced push with his thumb and the first patched ball is delivered to the muzzle. He lets the wood ball block fall to his chest at the end of the leather lanyard while simultaneously ramming the ball home to sit atop the powder load. Things move slower now. He grabs for a small brass tube on another lanyard and delivers a few grains of very fine powder to the pan. He flips the frizzen closed and gives the gun slight tap to insure the powder reaches the touch hole. He can hear his own heart beat between breaths as he raises the nearly 200 year old gun to his shoulder. He pulls the hammer to the fully cocked position and aquires his target and applies steady pressure to the trigger and like a surprise, for a second,
....just a second
........the old lions roar again!

 

[Crowtalks]

I’m trying to understand “I don’t think soon is not the operative word etc”. Do we need a lesson in sentence construction?

I don't see anything wrong with it...thats just the way a lot of us Hillbillies talk (proud to be a Hillbilly, BTW)

 

[Crowtalks]

Sometimes I go to the local range and see young guys shooting every kind of AR clone under the sun. Then some old lion shows up, ragged mane, a little slower, a little more deliberate in the way he moves. He carries a well worn buck skin rifle bag, missing rows of tassels from years of protecting what's inside from damage. He flips open the end of the bag and withdraws the heavy octagonal barreled fire arm with the deep richly figured furniture accented by buttery smooth antique brass fixtures like decorations on a holiday tree. He pulls the color case hardened Hammer to half ****, flips the frizzen forward exposing the pan and touch hole, burnt black and grey from countless sparks like signals from the brain commanding it's heart to beat. A small puff of air into the pan and touch hole, more like a signal from one old lion to another, it's time!
He clears the weapon with gnarled hands sliding the ramrod home till it bounces just a touch off the face of the breech plug. His possibles bag hangs on his right side with his powder horn next to it. He pops the top off his horn and pours black powder into a hollowed out elk antler to the brim then pours it down the barrel tapping the but on the ground just once to settle the powder on the bottom. Next he grabs the small walnut block hanging around his neck with nine patched, lubed, lead balls in a neat three by three order and places a ball just over the muzzle. A practiced push with his thumb and the first patched ball is delivered to the muzzle. He lets the wood ball block fall to his chest at the end of the leather lanyard while simultaneously ramming the ball home to sit atop the powder load. Things move slower now. He grabs for a small brass tube on another lanyard and delivers a few grains of very fine powder to the pan. He flips the frizzen closed and gives the gun slight tap to insure the powder reaches the touch hole. He can hear his own heart beat between breaths as he raises the nearly 200 year old gun to his shoulder. He pulls the hammer to the fully cooked position and aquires his target and applies steady pressure to the trigger and like a surprise, for a second,
....just a second
........the old lions roar again!

Is this a self reflection? great post...I was almost holding my breath waiting for the powder to fire

 

[Capnball]

Is this a self reflection? great post...I was almost holding my breath waiting for the powder to fire

Maybe a little!

 

[Colterkid]

Sometimes I go to the local range and see young guys shooting every kind of AR clone under the sun. Then some old lion shows up, ragged mane, a little slower, a little more deliberate in the way he moves. He carries a well worn buck skin rifle bag, missing rows of tassels from years of protecting what's inside from damage. He flips open the end of the bag and withdraws the heavy octagonal barreled fire arm with the deep richly figured furniture accented by buttery smooth antique brass fixtures like decorations on a holiday tree. He pulls the color case hardened Hammer to half ****, flips the frizzen forward exposing the pan and touch hole, burnt black and grey from countless sparks like signals from the brain commanding it's heart to beat. A small puff of air into the pan and touch hole, more like a signal from one old lion to another, it's time!
He clears the weapon with gnarled hands sliding the ramrod home till it bounces just a touch off the face of the breech plug. His possibles bag hangs on his right side with his powder horn next to it. He pops the top off his horn and pours black powder into a hollowed out elk antler to the brim then pours it down the barrel tapping the but on the ground just once to settle the powder on the bottom. Next he grabs the small walnut block hanging around his neck with nine patched, lubed, lead balls in a neat three by three order and places a ball just over the muzzle. A practiced push with his thumb and the first patched ball is delivered to the muzzle. He lets the wood ball block fall to his chest at the end of the leather lanyard while simultaneously ramming the ball home to sit atop the powder load. Things move slower now. He grabs for a small brass tube on another lanyard and delivers a few grains of very fine powder to the pan. He flips the frizzen closed and gives the gun slight tap to insure the powder reaches the touch hole. He can hear his own heart beat between breaths as he raises the nearly 200 year old gun to his shoulder. He pulls the hammer to the fully cooked position and aquires his target and applies steady pressure to the trigger and like a surprise, for a second,
....just a second
........the old lions roar again!

Love it!

 

[longcruise]

Um, you think that Hodgdon is interested in selling the means to compete with their BP substitutes to another company? Their shutting down GOEX means more demand for their other products.

I will remind the Membership that Hodgdon originally wrote there were no plans to sell GOEX, ..., two weeks of bad reactions and folks talking about not using any of Hodgdon's powders in the future, and suddenly, Hodgdon starts talking about the "sale of GOEX' to another company...



LD

I wasn't aware that they had stated that they had no plans to sell. They having said that, does it necessarily mean that they would not sell it or did it mean they did not yet have a plan? I'm going to try to avoid mind reading on this but I'll speculate a bit.

I wonder if maybe they might have concluded that the GOEX product was/is not a serious competitor to their subs? I think I perceive and maybe Hodgedon did also that there isn't much competition between the two. There seems to be dedicated camps of users for both products. The growing camp of the modern group eschews the use of the real Mccoy and seem to consider it inferior. Just me speculating, but Hodgdon has data for sure.

Also, if they were to shut down the plant entirely, i doubt if that would result in less competition for the sub products. Other producers are probably very able and eager to increase production.

Hodgedon has been very aggressively expanding their ownership and licensing of production of modern powder brands and may have decided that GOEX is an outlier in the greater scheme of things. Maybe they want that potential capital to go in a more compatible direction. Bullet manufacture? Primers? Ammunition?

I think the answers lay more in the direction growing what they do best rather than building walls against competition. But that's just my speculation and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm all wrong.

 

[User_Dan]

Some pictures from DuPonts original location on the banks of the Brandywine

 

[CaptainKirk]

Um, you think that Hodgdon is interested in selling the means to compete with their BP substitutes to another company? Their shutting down GOEX means more demand for their other products.

I don't think Hodgdon considered black powder to be in competition with other subs. If they did, they certainly would have developed a BP sub for flintlock rifles by now. I think their decision was more in line with profit and loss, and more importantly, liability. Moreand more younger hunters are turning to "modern" BP rifles and use the appropriate subs and projectiles. We old schoolers are a drop in the bucket to Hodgdon.

I will remind the Membership that Hodgdon originally wrote there were no plans to sell GOEX, ..., two weeks of bad reactions and folks talking about not using any of Hodgdon's powders in the future, and suddenly, Hodgdon starts talking about the "sale of GOEX' to another company...

I do believe Hodgdon's interest at this time is all about the Benjamins. Money. Cash. Lettuce. And why throw something in the trash when you can profit by selling it off? JMHO.

 

[Okie Hog]

Assuming that Hodgdon sells the GOEX plant, the new owner would be required to jump through hoops to license the place for production. Given the fact that Hodgdon experienced some serious kabooms while making black powder, and given the fact that others made some serious booms at the place; the local residents may no longer want the plant in their neighborhood.

 

[smoothshooter]

I don’t think “ soon “ is not the operative word in this situation.
OSHA regs, haz-mat issues, Federal and State licensing, insurance, snd a hostile Administration, etc. do not stack up to be anything approaching “ soon” .

Meant to say” I don’t think soon “ is the operative word, etc.

 

[flashpoint]

OK, GET READY! With all the discussion about GOEX, once it is manufactured again (hopefully), I am sure there will be lots of discussion as to whether the "NEW GOEX" is the same as the "OLD GOEX" because someone heard something from somebody's friend who has a cousin that conducted field tests and chemical analysis and determined that it was NOT the same. OH BOY!

 

[azmntman]

gotta add the nano stuff (wth is it anyway)

 

[zimmerstutzen]

I suspect that the current importers sent in orders to foreign makers when the explosion occurred and with the recent announcement, they just double checked and increased the orders.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

My understanding is that they are going to come out with a Hybrid Powder "Pydex"

 

[sheriff john]

May be wrong, but don't pyrodex pellets have a bit of black powder on the bottom? If so, where will that come from? I've still got two cans of DuPont in the oval cans unopened since the 60's. A third is partially empty but still goes off. Alcan caps didn't age as well.

 

[pmccoywss]

I do believe Hodgdon's interest at this time is all about the Benjamins. Money. Cash. Lettuce. And why throw something in the trash when you can profit by selling it off?

That is true of every business. The purpose of all businesses is to deliver a profit to the owners, through delivery of desired services or products
to willing buyers.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I don't think Hodgdon considered black powder to be in competition with other subs. If they did, they certainly would have developed a BP sub for flintlock rifles by now. I think their decision was more in line with profit and loss, and more importantly, liability. Moreand more younger hunters are turning to "modern" BP rifles and use the appropriate subs and projectiles. We old schoolers are a drop in the bucket to Hodgdon.

Competition is competition. If it was just a drop in the bucket, no reason to keep making it at all..., at least for sporting use.....,

I do believe Hodgdon's interest at this time is all about the Benjamins. Money. Cash. Lettuce. And why throw something in the trash when you can profit by selling it off? JMHO.

Because it locks up a brand name and a functioning facility and thus forces anybody competing to start up from scratch, with an unestablished brand name.

LD

 

[longcruise]

I will remind the Membership that Hodgdon originally wrote there were no plans to sell GOEX, ...

This is a direct quote from the Hodgdon press release of September 27th.

"Strategic options for the Goex and Olde Eynsford brands of black powder, along with the manufacturing capabilities, will include a potential sale of the business."

 

[windini]

My understanding is that they are going to come out with a Hybrid Powder "Pydex"

Close, but not quite! They're going to call it PiDex, and it will be 3.1415 times better!