My latest daydream: A Kibler escopeta ...

[Clark Badgett]

It looks generic. But I don’t care, it can be restocked ! The main thing is a few are being imported, I’ll settle for just the locks being available!

You could build one.

 

[Ashton Daniels]

But what is it supposed to be a replica of?

It's a replica of an early 18th century spanish military musket

 

[Clark Badgett]

It's a replica of an early 18th century spanish military musket

The earliest Spanish musket commonly known of is the model 1752, which used a French style lock and 3 barrel bands similar to the French arms. The same style was changed back to a miquelet style in 1791. The lock on this particular musket seems to be copied from a Catalan civilian fowler from the early 19th century. Unfortunately there isn’t much written on early Spanish martial guns other than Brinckerhoff & Chamberlain’s 1972 work.
The pictures are first the India copy, the second the 1800 fowler, the third the 1791 lock.

 

[Ashton Daniels]

The earliest Spanish musket commonly known of is the model 1752, which used a French style lock and 3 barrel bands similar to the French arms. The same style was changed back to a miquelet style in 1791. The lock on this particular musket seems to be copied from a Catalan civilian fowler from the early 19th century. Unfortunately there isn’t much written on early Spanish martial guns other than Brinckerhoff & Chamberlain’s 1972 work.
The pictures are first the India copy, the second the 1800 fowler, the third the 1791 lock.

Here Is a Miquelet carbine dated 1789 which has very similar features to the loyalist arms reproduction.

 

[Clark Badgett]

Here Is a Miquelet carbine dated 1789 which has very similar features to the loyalist arms reproduction.

Except the 2 barrel bands (common) and the different shape of the lock plate. And it’s certainly not early 18th century. Cut that stock to a Catalan style and it would be more believable as an early pre 1752 musket.

 

[Rudyard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, laugh all you want. But I have been thinking about escopetas ahead of moving back to New Mexico and it occurred to me that if there was decent demand for one -- and a decent miquelet lock was available-- I bet Jim could sell dozens of them. Once you get up off the floor and your sides don't hurt any more, share your thoughts.
It continues to bug me that the Spanish occupation of North America gets almost zero attention.

Gets more than the Russian Fur traders before they sold Alaska But I made one just for the novelty and to 'Restore' an original belt hook. Escopetas ? Si por ke ? not !
Rudyard

 

[BillinOregon]

I sent Loyalist an e-mail regarding their miquelet musket. Will report. Shout out to Ashton.

 

[springfield art]

Not an escopeta with a catalan style stock, but I got this Miquelet lock musket from loyalist arms. He said he has a few more, last time we spoke.

Left Hand? Wow!

 

[springfield art]

Just imagine if the Olde Russia had held onto Alaska! And to think they called the purchase "Seward's Folly"!

 

[BillinOregon]

Loyalist is out of their Model 1706 miquelet musket. Looks like second quarter of 2025 at the earliest.

 

[ajbennettnc]

Loyalist is out of their Model 1706 miquelet musket. Looks like second quarter of 2025 at the earliest.

Thanks for your reconnaissance, Bill. I was worried they'd have them now and I'd give into my desire to buy one!

 

[springfield art]

I sent Loyalist an e-mail regarding their miquelet musket. Will report. Shout out to Ashton.

I'm guessing Loyalist and the other importers have specific companies in India they work with?? Would be cool if someone got a contract and had a factory do a "run" of them to satisfy what seems to be a nascent demand for them! Who knew? Hope Veteran Arms, Loyalist, Middlesex, etc. are watching!

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

From my files here are some great articles on the Spanish Miquelet lock ... and the Spanish Escopeta!

 

[Rudyard]

Someone needs to lend one to the guy in Texas, Chris Hersh? I probably spelled his name wrong, he has the flintlock castings company.

I had an old rough lock perhaps Algerian So I used an old shotgun Barrel & stocked it Catalonian style. Mostly made it to set an original Belt Hook into context but did shoot it.
Good on yer Bill .
Looks I repeated my ealrier post Oh well
Rudyard

 

[BillinOregon]

Dale to the rescue! Thanks for those links my friend.
Rudyard, I'll read your posts even if you post them four times.

 

[Rudyard]

I'm guessing Loyalist and the other importers have specific companies in India they work with?? Would be cool if someone got a contract and had a factory do a "run" of them to satisfy what seems to be a nascent demand for them! Who knew? Hope Veteran Arms, Loyalist, Middlesex, etc. are watching!

I only know Loyalist Arm from long association on other matters but Do know they offer good work & take care .
As for dealing with Indian makers Iv'e had a Lot of dealings . The artisans CAN produce wonderful guns & items related . But its the Merchant who can read & speak English that cant resist nickel & dimeing (Read' Rupee & Nie Pise ing' )them down so quality suffers . You Pay Pea Nuts you get Monkeys so to speak .Having sat with them hours in a shop more like a cave developing locks Their tools are the most basic yet their skill is wonderful' I helped I think a bit with my occasional guidance. A Biscuit tin & clay hearth , charcoal for fuel , one hammer needed a knock every time required to stop the head comeing of . For case hardening they sent a boy who came back through the street (Crowded Street needless to add ) come back with a little paper bag full of Cyanide !. Bit of wind ,trip over a Saddoo and half the street would be a gonner But he didn't . Think about that when you grizzle about quality ..
PS, A Sadou is a Holy man they squat in the streets all dusty & painted looking for arms.

Regards Rudyard

 

[Sam squanch]

Sadou is a Holy man they squat in the streets all dusty & painted looking for arms

ARMS?!?! Do you mean alms?

 

[Rudyard]

ARMS?!?! Do you mean alms?

Alms of course ,But They cant spell just know stuff like" Baksheesh " Sahib "Baksheesh" '. With lower cost cremation's on the Ghats the river sharks tidy up the rare bits shoved into the Gangees but there not Canabals . I do tend to make the odd spelling error , But Pobodies Nerfect .
Cheers Rudyard

 

[SouthernNate]

That sounds like an amazing daydream! A Kibler escopeta would be a real treasure—such craftsmanship and history in one piece. Whether you’re imagining the smooth lines, the intricate details, or the way it feels in your hands, it’s the kind of dream that any firearm enthusiast can appreciate. Have you looked into the specifics of a Kibler escopeta, or is it more about the idea of owning something that blends heritage with quality?

 

[BillinOregon]

Nate, no, I have not messaged Jim Kibler about the escopeta project, but probably should mention it -- if he hasn't seen this thread. Can't hurt, can it?
And welcome to the forum!