Thanks Zonie and WAl 1 , I got a ad out yesterday from 1975 and willget it up as soon as I can. The rear is right and thanks to Wal 1 and GMWW I still have that rear one they found for me some time back. The front came (back n the 70s) with a small tube about a 1/4" and you can pull from the top inserts like a solid one with small hole (very dead eye I shot a 3 shot 1 hole at 50 yds with this one in the 48" target H+A) or a post with hole or 2 blades that are thin and thick. the center if it has a small screw can be pulled out and turned 4 ways for different blades ect. ( Marbles 2 "U"s and 2 Vs) Fred :hatsoff: