My Printer has paper jams but my pistol?

[Bad Karma]

After spending time in the service , courtesy of the U.S. draft, the letters What? did not stand for what you describe nor does it in the majority of manufacturing industry. If "What's That Foolishness", why not just not type it out?

One of my great granddaughters saw those letters and being a very bright 9 year old immediately deduced their meaning, “Why The Face?” I just love the way her mind works.

 

[Texas Gil]

I'm new to the revolvers ...Colt open tops 1849, 60 and 62 models ...paper ctg's intrigued me and I have been working on them ..if you insist or wish to stay the course with paper ctg's ..then I will share my SHORT learning curve with you as follows ..and this is for 44 and 36 cal ..amount of powder seems to make little difference in the results ..listing is from worst combinations to best ...

Brown coffee filter..no nitrate..Elmers glue stick..95% main body gone.. leaves paper ring chamber in bottom
Brown coffee filter..no nitrate..cellulose glue ..95% main body gone and 3 in 6 paper chamber rings
Brown coffee filter..nitrated .. Elmers glue stick ..99% main body gone ..paper chamber rings about 30%
Brown coffee filter..nitrated ..cellulose glue ..99% main body gone ..paper chamber ring 15%
Waveform curler paper ..No nitrate..Elmers glue stick..main body gone ..paper chamber ring 10%
Waveform curler paper.. nitrate ..cellulose glue.. main body gone ..paper chamber ring less than 5%

Keep in mind that is with just ONE particular package of brown coffer filter paper
And the Waveform curler paper is just ONE brand of curler paper

Think toilet paper.. some is like a corn cob and some is so delicate and fluffy that it could be considered worse than using a page out of the Monkey Ward Catalog

For sure ..Cellulose glue (a flammable) is superior to Elmers glue stick but I warn you cellulose glue is a pain to use as it dries very fast

Also ..there may very well be a glue stick that is more flammable than Elmers as it would make sense the Elmers folks would work hard at making sure it would NOT burn (as in children's use)

The rings residue in the bottom of the chambers are the juncture point of a 3/4" round disc, the glue and the bottom of the rolled tube body ..It may very well be that a folded tail on the bottom where just one thickness of the tube body is folded (exposed to ignition) over and glue tacked to seal the bottom is the best but I have not tested that method YET ..the bottom of the chamber (my guess with no foundation but logic based) may be the coolest spot in the chamber with the sides like where the tale is tacked to are much hotter and being able to better incinerate multi layers of paper ..

The Utopia is of course a non nitrated all self consuming paper along with an all consuming glue stick

So we have a LOT of different coffee filters, curler papers, cigarette papers and glue sticks to test to get to 100% idiot proof with regards to paper cartridges for front suffers for sure not harming the uninformed

In the meantime we will just have to pace our reloading cycle appropriate to our amounts of debris home rolled cartridges leave behind until someone hits exact glue and paper combo

Safe and happy shooting to all

Great information. Since I use cigarette paper and twist both ends without added glue I get a good burn with some residue at bottom. However, most of this falls out with a barrel down and quick shake of the pistol. The negative is cigarette paper is very fragile and very easily damaged. Question is what un nitraed paper is strongest and still burns up?

 

[Brokenbear]

Great information. Since I use cigarette paper and twist both ends without added glue I get a good burn with some residue at bottom. However, most of this falls out with a barrel down and quick shake of the pistol. The negative is cigarette paper is very fragile and very easily damaged. Question is what un nitraed paper is strongest and still burns up?

I'm thinking that the curler paper is tougher than cig paper and burns "almost" as well ..1000 sheets costs $3/$4 and will make 4000 cartridges ..cig papers are higher I am sure ..
What I think will help any paper burn better is a folded bottom and not much excess folded up the side of the cartridge...
So ...nest I will work on a fold that exposes only one layer of paper to the ignition source which should reduce the unburned "twisted tail" debris as well as the "ring" left by gluing to the ctg body a separate disc to create the bottom
The other thing that is really working for me is I stick glue the top of the paper just below the largest girth of the ball and once dry I dip in liquid bee's wax and olive oil (75/25) and dip it down on the paper to the imaginary line of the bottom of the ball ..so far the bee's was seems to contain the olive oil and it is not migrating down the paper like inserting a lubed wad does ..the results are once I ram it home ..the lube left below the ball that is on the paper and NOT removed during loading provides a great lube ring ..my barrel clean ups are very easy

Bear

 

[Grenadier1758]

After spending time in the service , courtesy of the U.S. draft, the letters What? did not stand for what you describe nor does it in the majority of manufacturing industry. If "What's That Foolishness", why not just not type it out?

Since most of us have spent some time in the military or worked on jobs that know all the alternatives for the WTF acronym, we should be allowed to accept the acronym and avoid the explicit profanity.

We should also avoid heavy paper for revolver cartridges. Prices of paper could be left in the chamber as embers or caught in the chamber mouth.

 

[Bad Karma]

After spending time in the service , courtesy of the U.S. draft, the letters What? did not stand for what you describe nor does it in the majority of manufacturing industry. If "What's That Foolishness", why not just not type it out?

I enlisted. Maybe that explains my tolerance for the way men express themselves (women too often as well. :-(

 

[Stantheman86]

I just make the "early type" paper cartridges for my Dragoons, etc which are essentially just a smaller version of a musket cartridge. No paper goes in the chamber and you bite it and pour the powder in, then take the wad and bullet/ball out and load.

It's not as fast as nitrated paper but I'm also not in combat. It just makes loading easier.

 

[ernbar]

I had a bunch of paper jams using RAW cig and hair curling papers in my .36 Navy but did not have any with the nitrated coffee filters in my .44 Army.
I think it’s easier just using the plastic clear lines plugged and loaded with the powder charge.

 

[nhmoose]

Must be a northern thing!

Stands for Lighten Up Francis eh

 

[nhmoose]

Cigarette paper is treated so it burns slowly. Factory cigarette paper is made to self-extinguish when not being actively puffed. This was done by .gov to help stop fires from drooped cigs when a user goes to sleep.

 

[2 shots]

w.t.f. = wheres the fish!!!!

 

[nick_1]

even if you are not expecting battle buy another pistol...or two

 

[Uncle Miltie]

Kick out the jams....

 

[chorizo]

 

[fishmusic]

Wow, talk about reviving an old post. My attempts and nitrating the coffee filter paper did not prove much different. I still got paper jams after the first shot and I haven't found curling papers anywhere (but I will actively look again). Those with no issues seemed to be the .44 ca. guys. I'll wager that the extra powder in those loads was enough to burn up the paper. There can't be that much more paper in a .44 than a .36. However, I will "keep on keepin' on" That's Kilo Oscar Kilo Oscar.

 

[nhmoose]

I still got paper jams after the first shot and I haven't found curling papers anywhere (but I will actively look again).

Try a beauty salon. We won't talk.

 

[Kansas Jake]

If not a beauty salon many medium size and larger communities have beauty salon supply stores that cater to both salons and muzzleloading. Just kidding on the muzzleloading but they are open to the general public.

 

[Tenring]

You can find hair curling Paper at Sally’s Beauty Salon, Don’t ask how I know ha ha but anyway I find that there way to thick even when nitrided along with coffee filters , I have been using nitrided cigarette rolling paper very sparingly on a home made mandrel with a very small dab of kids school stick glue. Remember the glue won’t burn up and paper wrapped around itself doesn’t want to burn up evenly, so the key word is Sparingly,Sparingly. I don’t know what they used during the war between the states but must have been some kind of rice paper I guess.

 

[bigted]

Celebrated Labor Day by taking my Pietta 1851 Colt Navy to a nearby range. I was using paper cartridges with 15 gr. fffg powder, a wonder wad and .375 swaged balls. The first shot and I couldn't advance the cylinder. Not a cap jam, I could still see the cap but extrude out from the space between the barrel and cylinder was shreds of paper. These are the same papers that came with the cartridge kit. I disassembled the barrel and removed a tube of paper that was going into the barrel. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, my old technology pistol suffered from a high tech problem, a paper jam! I see the need to experiment more with the cartridges to reduce the amount of paper. I've seen some of y'all using curler paper. Nitriding comes to mind also. I had several of these jams in the 15 rounds that I shot off today. Got home and found unburned paper in the cylinders.

In addition to that was one genuine cap jam. I am using Slix Shot nipples and Remington #11 caps (being very conservative with the caps I have remaining). So I guess I will have to work on that to get a more seamless experience with cap and ball pistols.

Use .380 balls.