RedOneFive
40 Cal
Need help identifying what you would call this style... Thanks!
Mystery 45..
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Thagomizer
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Somebody's custom build. Looks like a green mountain barrel and a Siler lock.
That's a beaut!!
Hey, @RedOneFive
I would agree that it’s a custom (modern) build. While not strictly authentic with that “Golden Age” style Siler lock and that particular trigger, I would say the general lines of your rifle look like late Lancaster style to me, reminiscent of the trade rifles (not to be confused with smoothbored trade guns) provided to the native tribesmen in trade, as treaty gifts, or annuity payments in the early 19th century.
That’s my take on it, anyway. Other opinions welcome.
You have a nice rifle, with a high-quality lock and barrel.
Notchy Bob
I would agree that it’s a custom (modern) build. While not strictly authentic with that “Golden Age” style Siler lock and that particular trigger, I would say the general lines of your rifle look like late Lancaster style to me, reminiscent of the trade rifles (not to be confused with smoothbored trade guns) provided to the native tribesmen in trade, as treaty gifts, or annuity payments in the early 19th century.
That’s my take on it, anyway. Other opinions welcome.
You have a nice rifle, with a high-quality lock and barrel.
Notchy Bob
Yeah. What Thagomizer and Notchy Bob said. I agree with them.
RedOneFive
40 Cal
Thanks yall! I'm trying to sort a pile of about 25 rifles right now, and a few like this I can't quite put a finger on of what to call them. I was leaning to those eastern schools, but my knowledge isn't quite up to par on most of those.
I would love to have one like that in .40 !
RedOneFive
40 Cal
I know it's hard without better pictures or holding it, but anybody have a rough value on this one?
If it is in really good shape, I think you could ask $1,200-$1,400 for it, but that may be optimistic in today’s market. During the pandemic, it seemed people would buy anything and sellers could just about name their price. I think a lot of that was due to “panic buying.” Things have simmered down considerably since then.
The gun in the photos looks a lot like the “trade rifles” Clay Smith used to make, except he used an early-styled trigger with a pigtail curl. I don’t know whether he is still making these or not. Smoothbores seem to be all the rage now. Anyway, Mr. Smith built these as entry-level rifles around a precarved stock, but he was still asking about $2k for them 7-8 years ago. I thought that was a lot, for a plain rifle with a straight-sided barrel and precarved stock, but these rifles carried a premium because of his reputation as a builder. Your rifle, regardless of condition, would be considered “used,” and if there is no indication of who built it, that would limit the top end of its value. However, it does have good quality components and from the photos it seems to be nicely built.
So, I would estimate $1,200-$1,400 but you should probably be prepared to accept a good bit less. You may also want to consider some other people’s opinions or estimates, as I am no expert.
Good luck to you.
Notchy Bob
The gun in the photos looks a lot like the “trade rifles” Clay Smith used to make, except he used an early-styled trigger with a pigtail curl. I don’t know whether he is still making these or not. Smoothbores seem to be all the rage now. Anyway, Mr. Smith built these as entry-level rifles around a precarved stock, but he was still asking about $2k for them 7-8 years ago. I thought that was a lot, for a plain rifle with a straight-sided barrel and precarved stock, but these rifles carried a premium because of his reputation as a builder. Your rifle, regardless of condition, would be considered “used,” and if there is no indication of who built it, that would limit the top end of its value. However, it does have good quality components and from the photos it seems to be nicely built.
So, I would estimate $1,200-$1,400 but you should probably be prepared to accept a good bit less. You may also want to consider some other people’s opinions or estimates, as I am no expert.
Good luck to you.
Notchy Bob
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What it’s worth and what it sells for are two numbers. I think it is a buyers market right now. As Bob said above, during covid numbers were crazy high. Not so much now. I went to many gun shows this winter and prices are still high and some sellers will come down when cash is offered.
I had a local shop put a gun out on consignment with a bottom value as i wanted. He placed it on the internet and got me an extra $50 plus his cut. All were happy.
I had a local shop put a gun out on consignment with a bottom value as i wanted. He placed it on the internet and got me an extra $50 plus his cut. All were happy.
