Mystery Charleville Musket 1837??

[ROBg]

Greetings All

Found this French? Charleville Musket up in Canada. It is percussion and has proof and other markings that I cannot decipher.

As it is marked 1837 on the barrel and lock.

Is it a Non-French copy or is that when it was converted to percussion?

Appears to be Unit ID marks on the stock.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Best Regards
Rob

 

[ajbennettnc]

Howdy Rob,
I believe that's a Prussian Neise Musket.

 

[ROBg]

Awesome
Thanks!!!!!

 

[hawkeye2]

Definitely a "Potsdam" as they are generically referred to and a nice one too. It's unusual to find one with the sling swivels and sights still intact and the bayonet is a plus too. Most you see have been altered in some way for civilian use. The 1837 date is when it was converted from flint. Thousands were imported during the Civil War by both the north and south and issued.

 

[ROBg]

You are correct!

Thanks so much.

Are they worth much?

Rob

 

[Mle1822]

Originaly a french 1777 captured either in 1806 or during the liberation wars in 1813-1815 and refurbished in the Neisse Arsenal to a percussion standard in 1837, then issued to a Landwehr unit (LWR on the stock). The FW is the name of the Prussian King Friedrich Wilhelm III. Since Prussia had a musket shortage every captured example was put into action. So You have a 3 wars musket with provenience. The arsenal building in Neisse *Nysa in Poland, is still standing today, its been a Seminary for some time.

Edit> The 10 could stand for the Infantry regiment. Only Silesia and Westphalia had more than 9 regiments during the liberation wars as far as I know, but its could be post war markings. Not sure.

 

[Mle1822]

Edit2 > Did You check the barrel ? Some were converted to rifling in the 1840s. The rifling is sometimes very shallow.

 

[Loyer]

Gun is pretty common and , unfortuneatly not worth a whole lot. maybe a few hundred dollars (USA funds)

 

[Sam squanch]

Gun is pretty common and , unfortuneatly not worth a whole lot. maybe a few hundred dollars (USA funds)

Last one of those I saw in that condition was $1200!

 

[hawkeye2]

These are fairly common in the N-SSA and the higher end is usually $900+/- though this one has a bayonet which is probably $150 and it is complete. BTW this gun was never French but always Prussian. This is the model of 1809 later converted to percussion. I have never seen one that had been rifled.

 

[Mle1822]

You are right. I did put to much weight on the markings and got a bit of a tunnel vision. My assumption was that it is a put together with french parts in Neisse which was known for making these put together muskets before starting with the production of 1809/12. Landwehr markings with the rather high number of 10th regiment, suggesting that it was marked as such during the mobilization of spring 1813 and production of 1809/12 didnt realy ramp up yet in the spring of 1813.
In 1855 the order was given to add rifling to 235 000 Infanteriegewehr 1839 and 66 000 muskets 1809/12 U/M. It is however possible that the army kept the good muskets nad sold of those not worth getting a rifling. We dont see the rear sights in these pictures...