NAA .22 C&B Nipples too big?
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Your gun is not a cap and ball gun and it doesn't use #11 percussion caps. It uses .22 Win magnum rimfire cartridges.
Although Smith & Wesson produced a .22 rimfire cartridge pistol before the Civil War started, our Forum is devoted to traditional muzzleloading guns.
We do make allowances for the Cap & Ball pistols as well.
Because your pistol is a cartridge gun, we cannot discuss it further without violating the Forums rules. I hope you understand.
Don't let this chase you off.
We have a lot of things here that I'm sure you will enjoy and if you ever get a muzzleloader or a cap & ball pistol I'm sure we can answer any question you might have.
Well, actually, you don't even have to own a muzzleloader or C&B pistol.
Feel free to join in with any post we have or start your own.
Just remember we don't discuss cartridge or the new style non-traditional muzzleloading guns.
Although Smith & Wesson produced a .22 rimfire cartridge pistol before the Civil War started, our Forum is devoted to traditional muzzleloading guns.
We do make allowances for the Cap & Ball pistols as well.
Because your pistol is a cartridge gun, we cannot discuss it further without violating the Forums rules. I hope you understand.
Don't let this chase you off.
We have a lot of things here that I'm sure you will enjoy and if you ever get a muzzleloader or a cap & ball pistol I'm sure we can answer any question you might have.
Well, actually, you don't even have to own a muzzleloader or C&B pistol.
Feel free to join in with any post we have or start your own.
Just remember we don't discuss cartridge or the new style non-traditional muzzleloading guns.
Just try firm thumb pressure.
You gatta smack'm pretty hard to set one off, so don't "hit" them, just press.
You gatta smack'm pretty hard to set one off, so don't "hit" them, just press.
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I am familiar with the gun and it is, in fact, a muzzleloader of current manufacture. It is a .22 caliber muzzleloading handgun and uses #10 caps. The #11 caps do not fit the nipples and are too big and will not stay in place without being slightly crimped before putting them on teh nipples. Crimping #11 caps to fit is not the best thing to do. You can either buy #10 caps or contact Track of The Wolf for the correct fitting #11 replacement nipples.
All the information I could find about the Earl said it was a .22 magnum pistol.
If anyone can find something that indicates it is a percussion cap and ball pistol, let me know.
I have been wrrrrrrrrong before.
http://peashooter85.tumblr.com/post/29733444935/north-american-arms-the-earl-the-exact-same
If anyone can find something that indicates it is a percussion cap and ball pistol, let me know.
I have been wrrrrrrrrong before.
http://peashooter85.tumblr.com/post/29733444935/north-american-arms-the-earl-the-exact-same
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Yeah it is,Zonie said:
http://www.impactguns.com/naa-cap-ball-black-powder-revolver-1-58in-22mcb-744253000140.aspx
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OK.
That gun we can talk about.
I guess my problem is I didn't see that option for the "Earl" but I suppose it exists.
That gun we can talk about.
I guess my problem is I didn't see that option for the "Earl" but I suppose it exists.
.22 bp pistol?
seems like it would be a waste of good steel
seems like it would be a waste of good steel
If it takes a .221 diameter lead ball, the ball will weigh 16.2 grains.
That's 1.7 grains heavier than a .22 caliber pellet and almost twice the weight of a .177 caliber pellet.
A rat or mouse could be in severe trouble if that roundball hit him.
That's 1.7 grains heavier than a .22 caliber pellet and almost twice the weight of a .177 caliber pellet.
A rat or mouse could be in severe trouble if that roundball hit him.
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Yeah, it is an expensive "toy" with little practical use. The Derringer was intended for "across the table" use and the originals came in larger calibers. Still, at that range a shot or two to the torso from something as diminutive as a .22 caliber cap and ball Derringer would put a damper on your party.
I have a S&W Model 1 that is chambered in .22 short. It was intended as a ladies purse or muff gun....so I was told. Anyway the .22 caliber was in use in the "days of yore" even if it was a cartridge gun.
I have a S&W Model 1 that is chambered in .22 short. It was intended as a ladies purse or muff gun....so I was told. Anyway the .22 caliber was in use in the "days of yore" even if it was a cartridge gun.
Thanks for trying to help but the gun has nipples and is listed by North American Arms as a "replica" of 1860 vintage cap and ball revolvers of the era. It looks very much like my 44 New Army. Look on their site and you'll see they offer it in Long Rifle as well as .22 Magnum, and both are Cap n Ball (they DO have cartridge models as well). Easy to check and I DO have the pistol in front of me and been shooting since I was a kid. This pistol doesn't take cartridges and cartridge pistols don't have nipples
They supply 30 grain "bullets" for it. 50 of them came with the gun. The manual says it to load 4 grains of FFFFG or Pyrodex (all I can find on net is FFFG - hope that'll work instead).
I read a post somewhere that this version comes real close to the cartridge version in perormance. 22 Mag cartridges I recently saw at a gunstore list 1800+ fps with 30 grain bullets. That's as much muzzle energy as the 44 New Army, at about 250 ft lbs, though a much smaller hole but I'm sure it'll do a fantastic job at the statistical mean combat range of 21 feet on a human target
I read a post somewhere that this version comes real close to the cartridge version in perormance. 22 Mag cartridges I recently saw at a gunstore list 1800+ fps with 30 grain bullets. That's as much muzzle energy as the 44 New Army, at about 250 ft lbs, though a much smaller hole but I'm sure it'll do a fantastic job at the statistical mean combat range of 21 feet on a human target
It's a 5 shot revolver with a 4" barrel. Weighs about 8 oz and fits very nice in the pants pocket. As a "Replica" (and it's described as such on North American Arms' website) it's explicitly excluded from Concealed Carry restrictions in Texas.
Can't carry my New Army 44 openly in TX and it's too big to conceal. The little .22 has as much energy, if not the stopping power, and it conceals oh so easily! Don't need to completely stop 'em anyway...just slow 'em down a little.
While the 4F powder would probably work best, Pyrodex P (which as you say is a 3F equivalent) will work too.
As for the energy it will produce, don't get your hopes up. I think someone was being overly optimistic in their comparing it to a .22 Mag.
For instance, the Lyman "BLACK POWDER HANDBOOK" shows the velocity and energy for a .31 caliber revolver.
With a 47 grain ball over 12 grains of Pyrodex P it had a muzzle velocity of 906 fps producing a muzzle energy of 86 foot pounds.
Over a 5 grain powder load the muzzle velocity was 508 fps with 27 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.
As for it replicating a original gun, the Remington Pocket Pistol, a .31 caliber, 5 shot, spur trigger revolver is about the closest thing that existed.
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=898
As for percussion caps for your gun, look for some #10's.
Those are the smallest commercial caps on the market.
As for the energy it will produce, don't get your hopes up. I think someone was being overly optimistic in their comparing it to a .22 Mag.
For instance, the Lyman "BLACK POWDER HANDBOOK" shows the velocity and energy for a .31 caliber revolver.
With a 47 grain ball over 12 grains of Pyrodex P it had a muzzle velocity of 906 fps producing a muzzle energy of 86 foot pounds.
Over a 5 grain powder load the muzzle velocity was 508 fps with 27 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.
As for it replicating a original gun, the Remington Pocket Pistol, a .31 caliber, 5 shot, spur trigger revolver is about the closest thing that existed.
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_187_189&products_id=898
As for percussion caps for your gun, look for some #10's.
Those are the smallest commercial caps on the market.
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Well Champ, sounds like you got're all figured out.
Thanks for checking in with us, :wink:
Thanks for checking in with us, :wink:
loopholeing the system eh?
just go get a conceal carry permit and get a proper pistol
that .22 is only going to cause trouble for you
just go get a conceal carry permit and get a proper pistol
that .22 is only going to cause trouble for you
Yeah I think so too,
I have seen 22cal little BP derringers being shot.
All I'd say if someone shot me with one of those,
I might just wander off and bleed out, but not before I broke the neck of the person that shot it.
That would give me just enough adrenalin to do it too.
I wouldn't want to bet my life on that thing stopping an attacker.
I have seen 22cal little BP derringers being shot.
All I'd say if someone shot me with one of those,
I might just wander off and bleed out, but not before I broke the neck of the person that shot it.
That would give me just enough adrenalin to do it too.
I wouldn't want to bet my life on that thing stopping an attacker.
I think the idea behind those things as a pocket or purse carry was to be able to pull it out and literally hold it against someones skull, chest or neck.
A hole in the heart, artery or vein will kill someone, but there is still going to be some moments of fight left in'm. :idunno:
Case in point;
Hinckley's shooting, Reagans cracked rib and Brady's head wound.
A hole in the heart, artery or vein will kill someone, but there is still going to be some moments of fight left in'm. :idunno:
Case in point;
Hinckley's shooting, Reagans cracked rib and Brady's head wound.
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