navy arms 12 guage loaads?

Hi Guys
Say I have a navy arms water fouler, double percussion 12 gauage. I was told that it is steel shot rated, it has both barrels are modified chokes. Doe any one have some good iders as to what to stuff in it for Mallards and Geese (Canaders)out 30 yards? I have tried all sorts of loads and stuff and but I can't find a great load... any iders?
Best regards Loyalist Dawg :hatsoff:

 

[Rebel]

I have a Navy Arms double .12 ga that has cylinder bore barrels. For ducks and geese with steel shot i use 95 Gr Pyrodex RS, overpowder wad, special plastic steel shotcup, 1 1/4 oz of #1 steel shot, and an overshot card wad. Be sure to use the steel shotcups with steel shot or you may ruin your bore.

 

Thanks Reb
That's one load I will try. What brand is the steel shot cups you use? Thanks again Loyalist Dawg :thanks:

 

[Rebel]

They are called MULTI METAL. i get them from Ballistics Products.

 

Thanks
loyalist Dawg

 

[Rebel]

Welcome :front:

 

Well guys...
I couldn't find the recommended stuff up here in the cold north... I was able to find "reloading specialties" steel shot (BB) and steel shot wads. I will try the loads listed and get back to you all asap. Thank you for all your input... :thanks: Best regards Loyalist Dawg :hatsoff:
PS how do you fellas like my new duck call... it's real old fashion I yell in my best donald duck voice....
"HERE DUCKY DUCKY DUCKY" (My boys love it)...

 

[Rebel]

Not a bad duck call. :: I usually just yell, come here duck. ::

 

[gmww]

Are those shot cups the same ones used in reloading shotgun hulls or are these special for Muzzle loading? ::

 

[Rebel]

The ones i use are for reloading shotshells. That is why i use the overpowder wad under them, to get a good seal. They work fine. I have taken quite a few ducks and Canada geese using them.

 

[gmww]

I'm having a 12 ga. barrle made for me. Therefore, I'm looking for all the information I can find. I was going to use it for Turkeys and I'm wondering if I should have screw in choke threads put in.

 

[Rebel]

I took my first turkey this spring with one shot from my Navy Arms double barrel .12 ga with cylinder bore barrels. I prefer the cylinder bores. I have had MLer's with screw in chokes, and with the full choke tube especially, they are hard to load. Had to remove the choke tube to load the wads, and then screw the tube back in. You can get real good patterns with cylinder bores if you just work with the components.

 

[gmww]

Is there a rule of thumb on getting shot patterns. More shot, less powder=tighter pattern or what?

 

[Rebel]

Each gun is different, but as for a rule of thumb, normally less powder and more shot will get you tighter patterns. Also i have found that using half a fiber cushion wad seems to prevent holes in the center of the pattern. Some guys do away with the cushion wad all together and just use the over powder wad, then shot and an overshot card. The only way to find out for sure what works best in your gun is to spend a lot of time at the pattern boards trying different combos.

 

[gmww]

I will be doing the field tests once I get the barrel. I just hate re-inventing the wheel especially if there is information already out there. Thanks! eace:

 

[Berk]

Rebal I have Navy Arms 12ga Fowler. I shoot 75 gr of powder and 1 1/2 shot in it. I hace used it on squirrel quail and pheasant with success also shoot clays with it. I have not had a chance to shoot steel oe any of the non lead shot but would like to bust a goose or 2

Berk

 

[Rebel]

To get better patterns you might also try paper or plastic shot cups. I use Winchester AA white plastic cups for lead shot loads when i want a tighter pattern for jackrabbits.

 

[gmww]

You fellas using 2F?

 

[Rebel]

Berk, that is what i have too, the Fowler model. I have shot lots of steel through it and there is absolutely no sign of bore damage. I do use the special thick plastic steel shotcups in it though. I called Navy Arms before trying it and they said there was no problem using steel since it has cylinder bores and no choke. I prefer #1 steel for both ducks and geese. 95-100 grs of Pyrodex RS, an overpowder wad, 3" plastic shotcup, 1 1/4 oz of #1 steel, and an overshot card.

 

[Berk]

If I am hunting I use 3f because thats whats in my horn from shooting my rifle. If I am shooting clay birds I use 2f because I load from a bemch. I usually use Ludu or Dragon powder but I have used eveything but swiss and find little if any differance in any of it. The differance in 2f and 3f is recoil. If you shoot all day you can tell the differance.

Berk