New '58 Remmy

[Rebel]

Your welcome.

 

[Rebel]

Yep, this one is a good shooter too. May have to actually hang on to it for a while. :grin:

 

Hi Rebel.
I love that revolver.
I got two from cabelas,long barrel and short barrel.
Ive been looking at the conversion cylinders.
Man there expensive.
I like the remmy because it is the fastest reload of all revolvers.

 

[PitchyPine]

Grats on the new revolver Rebel, i have the short barreled one from Cabela`s and it`s a good shooter also. :thumbsup:

 

[Rebel]

I would love to get an R&D conversion cyl for it if i could find someone that had one for sale at a Reasonable price.

 

[Rebel]

I thought about the short barreled one but decided i wanted the adjustable sights. If the short one had been available with them i would have got it.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

I'm about ready to take the plunge on the conversion cylinder myself. I just gave my brand new '58 Remmy to my son for a high school graduation gift. When I told him about the clyinder for .45LC his eyes lit up and he wanted to know when we (I) was going to buy a couple :shocked2: . Guess there goes about half a grand with the shipping :haha: . You just know we have to buy the accy leather pouch that holds two cylinders like "speed-loaders" too!

Dave

 

[50cal.cliff]

Rebel gonna show my ignorance, but only to the subject at hand! :rotf: :rotf:
What exactly is the R&D conversion cylinder you were talking about and what's it do for the gun?
Also you all were talking about the short barrel and the long barrel! What lenght's are you talking about?
Ive got a Ruger Single Six with a nine inch barrel and love it for accuracy!!! No it's not BP but still love it for plincking!

 

With this conversion clyinder you can use 45lc.cartridge cowboy ammo.

 

[mykeal]

1858 Remington New Armies come in two different barrel lengths: 5 1/2" and either 7 1/2" or 8", depending on things I don't fully understand (Cimarron's online catalog shows the longer barrel as 7 1/2" until you click on the product info link, and it becomes 8"). The longer barrel is the more common.

And then you get into the "New Navy", a .36 cal version that has a 6" barrel. Just in case you thought you understood it.

 

[Rebel]

Guess 82Airborne and Mykeal answered your question for me.

 

[50cal.cliff]

Thanks I get it now!
That might be a real nice option if its not way out of line on price! :hmm:

 

Oops,sorry,
Didnt mean to jump in there. :v

 

[Rebel]

No problem, just save me having to answer. :grin:

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Cliff,

They are between $200.00 and $250.00 each just for the cylinder and the cylinder cap with the built-in firing pins. The price varies based upon blue, stainless, scrollwork, etc., as well as the model of gun. Colt clones can also be fitted with these type cylinders, but you still have to deal with the wedge pin on the Colt, so why bother??

Take a look at Taylor's web site to see what it is we're musing about. Just Google them and they pop right up.

Dave

 

[John Taylor]

One of the problems with using an R&D or Kirst conversion is the bore diameter of the barrel. Most 45 long are loaded with a .452" bullet while the bore on most of the 45 BP pistols is .455" or .456"( I have a barrel that measures .460" ). With the 6 shot cylinders the chambers are slanted a little so the rims will clear. This leave very little wall thickness to the cylinder. Do not use modern ammo in the conversions, cowboy loads or less only. They are faster to load than cap and ball so you can get more shooting done in a day.
One of the things that kept Remington and Colt from making cartridge guns was the patent that S&W had for the bored through cylinder, they had to wait till the patent ran out. I have a pistol that is marked "made by Moore for Smith and Wesson" in 32 rim fire. S&W went after Moore for patent infringement so Moore had to mark the guns this way. Probably had to pay a fee to S&W also.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

John,

A few of the shooters in our local Club's BP league match use the Remmy with the R&D Conversion Cylinder and Goex or handloaded .45LC black powder cartridges. Nobody takes home any ribbons most of the time due to the underize projectiles ratling down the bore as a twist is applied.

This one guy uses his own handloads and says he has a mold that's .455 to cast his own. Now if he could get the seating depth right so that the rounds would fit into the conversion cylinder without the primers touching the firing pins BEFORE he shoots the gun, I'd use his handloads!

My intention is to just have a unique plinker, but I must admit, IF I practice and the gun does well, I'd consider putting it into the competition. Right now the league classifies all revolvers together (C&B and Conversion) and nobody has shown up with a 1873 SAA. My Walker usually takes the revolver division, even though it's "out of the box", and as you know I have to aim through a notch in the hammer.

In your opinion, which conversion cylinder is the better product? I'm thinking the R&D because the six transfer firing pins do only 1/6th the amount of work as the Kirst with only one. Less chance for peening down a firing pin.

Thanks for your help,

Dave

 

[peashooterJoe]

Don't forget that when the conversion cylinder is installed that it is considered a modern firearm and BATF rules apply. It is treated the same as a modern revolver under State and Federal Laws. When in doubt check it out.. PeashooterJoe.. :thumbsup:

 

[Zonie]

I may be wrong, but I think BATFE would treat it like it was made prior to 1898, that is, it would be classified as an antique without the post 1898 gun restrictions.

Many States, including my own treat Muzzleloaders and C&B guns the same as modern firearms but peashooter is right. It is best to check with your State and Local law enforcement agencies if questions about legality exist.

I also agree with the post that pointed out that the bore and groove diameters on many replica C&B guns are not sized to shoot the .45 Colt cartridge.
The groove diameter varies from .446 to .460 which can give some pretty poor accuracy. This groove diameter depends on who made your pistol and which model it is.

zonie

 

[mykeal]

BATF's view of a percussion cap and ball revolver that is "converted" to use cartridges is that it is a gun manufactured by the individual owner. It is legal to manufacture your own guns. However, you cannot sell, trade or give them away, except through a licensed dealer.

So, if you buy a conversion cylinder, don't sell it with the gun.