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mtelkdeer

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Hello,

I'm a new guy here from Montana. As many of you probably know, Montana started a heritage season a couple years ago. Seems like a heck of a good time to be out chasing elk and deer in the mountains.

I stumbled across a few video's on YT that I think were posted by idaholewis. Those video's kind of opened my eyes to the accuracy that can be achieved with a traditional muzzleloader and plenty of practice I'm sure. I'm a newbie when it comes to Muzzleloader hunting. Been successful the last 10-15 years western hunting many states across the west with archery and rifle equipment but have developed an itch to explore muzzleloader hunting.

I've been skimming through a lot of the forums and there is obviously a ton of knowledgeable folks on this forum.

Looking to learn a few things and get some help on deciding what caliber, gun, setup would be a good place to start to help increase my odds of success during the heritage season.

I will disclose my initial thoughts and hope to get some feedback.

I'm looking at the Thompson center Renegage in .54 cal. I think it has a 1:48 twist rate which from my limited reading/understanding is kind of the sweet spot for RB/mini ball setups. (Please correct me if i'm wrong!).

The other consideration is the Shedhorn in .50 cal. I have a few friends with that rifle and there are mixed reviews. I like the removable breach and the twist rate for mini ball's. Because I primarily plan to hunt elk i'm leaning towards the .54 cal for a little safety factor.

A lot of folks are putting on the fixed magnification red dots to help with target Aquisition. My eyesight is alright and I'm considering some sort of peep sight if I go with the .54.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts. Powder/load/patch/lube recommendations. I'm completely new to this and want to have a safe rifle that's a lethal setup for elk hunting. I'm attempting to get it soon so I can have basically a full year to get acquainted. I'd also be curious to hear peoples experience hunting elk and what kind of range is a realistic range with a sound setup and plenty of practice. I'd be thrilled if I could refine a setup for 150 yards and under.

For Montana's traditional season, you must use a solid lead projectile and use either a traditional flintlock or sidelock percussion cap style muzzleloader. You're also not allowed to have any sort of magnified optic on the rifle. I'm hoping to keep my total cost under 500 for the gun and another couple hundred for a sight/powder/bullets and other accessories.
 
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Welcome from Texas! You will want to address all your different questions in the various forums, such as Percussion Rifles, Shooting Accessories, Traditional Muzzleloader Hunting, etc. And all your questions have been answered before, so use the Search feature (upper right corner).
And of course there's the For Sale section.
Have fun!
 
Welcome from Maine. .54 Renegade is a great hunting rifle. T/C Maxi-balls I have taken a moose and bear with them. Don't overlook patched round balls 70-90 gr, 2 or 3F black P and a .15 patch. Behind the shoulder is very effective.
Nit Wit
 
Welcome from Maine. .54 Renegade is a great hunting rifle. T/C Maxi-balls I have taken a moose and bear with them. Don't overlook patched round balls 70-90 gr, 2 or 3F black P and a .15 patch. Behind the shoulder is very effective.
Nit Wit
Awesome! Thanks for the reply, what projectile did you use on the moose?

And I see you're a moderator. I'm pretty active on other hunting forums but new to this site so I'm unfamiliar with the rules for PMing. There's a .54 cal I'm interested in buying. I did donate to the site and was hoping It would give me a pass to PM but that doesn't appear to be the case.
 
Welcome and for the record, I am a TC who... I mean... fan. I think you can easily find a Renegade in .54 for a very reasonable price. Flintlocks are going to run you a bit more, perhaps 100-150$ more than a percussion gun. If you have not landed one yet, Gunbroker.com has a mess of .54s up right now in both flint/cap. Worth taking a look to see what the market offers at what pricing so you can set some expectations. There were one or more new-in-the-box rilfes available as well but I think both were cap.

Good luck to you and don't be shy, lots of good information around here.
 
Welcome from California.

When I lived in Missoula I purchased a 50 caliber TC Hawken percussion kit at a yard sale.

I hunted Elk, Mule deer, whitetail, rabbit and grouse with it. Though it was a standard TC 1/28" twist I found it to be exceptional accurate and used it for headshots on the small game out to about 25 yards. (The small game was coincidental while hunting deer in the creek bottoms).

For Elk and deer I still hunted, using store bought TC Minnie or maxiball on a charge of 80 to 90 grains 2F GOEX.

My 1st Elk was a spike bull hit twice that was walking straight at me, I'm ashamed of this one, my first shot fired at about 7 yards clipped through a small diameter pine as he stepped to my left, I pivoted and shot. I was aimed center chest. My shot went through the tree angled up and (I found later) imbedded in the bridge of his nose.

I saw that I had screwed up and that he was hit poorly. As he ran up the hill I quickly reloaded, I carried 3 TC quick loaders. Apparently there was something that changed his mind up the hill as he turned and started sprinting down on the other side of the draw about 50 yards away.

I had finished reloading. Leading him as he broke across an open area I aimed for a heart shot. At my 2nd shot he stopped, arched up and fell backwards sinking his horns in the ground.
 
I would lean towards a .54 personally that’s my preference for patched round ball, I use 90grs of 3F with .018 pillow ticking patch lubed with mink oil. There is a lot more choice of lead projectiles in .50 caliber locally that I have seen in the Missoula area. I now live south in the Bitterroot and I am a big flintlock guy. There is a loop hole in the verbiage of the regs and you can use a non magnified red dot optic, which I don’t care for as for me personally its ridiculous but it what it is. For me traditional is traditional, that’s like throwing a 4 pin sight on my longbow. As a warden who I know explained it that exact way saying he doesn’t agree with it either but that’s the way it was written, he told me they had tons of calls about it this year.
 
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