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New Green Mountain barrel question
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There are few click and pull answers in muzzle loading, every gun is unique. That is why many people do not like them, a time investment is its own reward.
I suspect that your patch and ball combination is not your problem, there are other variables to consider.
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I suspect that your patch and ball combination is not your problem, there are other variables to consider.
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Don Steele
45 Cal.
I'm loving the results I get from my Green Mtn. drop-in's.
In 50 cal, mounted in my T/C Hawkens I'm using a .500 RB, dead soft lead, .020 patching. For 50 yds, 65 gns or so of Goex 2f or 3f. I've been successful with several lubes, so try what you like. 7:1 water Ballistol on a "dry patch"(THANK YOU Dutch..!!) works great for example. I use a composite mallet and special short starter to get the ball just started into the end of the bbl, then a conventional short starter to push it down 5-6 in., then a 3/8th's solid brass range rod to solidly seat on the powder.
From a decent rest, when my 64 yr old eyes are having a good day...that sort of combo produces "one ragged hole" 5 shot groups with almost :wink: boring regularity.
My combination and loading regimen isn't for everyone, but it works for me.
Your experience might be different.
In 50 cal, mounted in my T/C Hawkens I'm using a .500 RB, dead soft lead, .020 patching. For 50 yds, 65 gns or so of Goex 2f or 3f. I've been successful with several lubes, so try what you like. 7:1 water Ballistol on a "dry patch"(THANK YOU Dutch..!!) works great for example. I use a composite mallet and special short starter to get the ball just started into the end of the bbl, then a conventional short starter to push it down 5-6 in., then a 3/8th's solid brass range rod to solidly seat on the powder.
From a decent rest, when my 64 yr old eyes are having a good day...that sort of combo produces "one ragged hole" 5 shot groups with almost :wink: boring regularity.
My combination and loading regimen isn't for everyone, but it works for me.
Your experience might be different.
Ken Cormier
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I think I would do as Branch Mealy says about his barrels as he is not only a barrel maker. He is a world class shooter. If you look at the record books for the NMLRA you will see that him and his wife are record setting shooters. This is not any kind of promo just some facts that might shows he knows what he's talking about.
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So what does he say to do???
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Wow, I have been doing everything wrong, according to GM.
I have been using FFFg and .015 thick Wonderlube patches, along with a .495 roundball in my .50 calibre flintlock for close to 30 years. Haven't blown up the barrel yet.
Been using wonderlube in my caplocks too.
I have been using FFFg and .015 thick Wonderlube patches, along with a .495 roundball in my .50 calibre flintlock for close to 30 years. Haven't blown up the barrel yet.
Been using wonderlube in my caplocks too.
I know what you mean about "Boring Regularity"
That's what got me started in coaching at the range.
Once you've figured it out for your rifle its easy to help others.
Dutch
That's what got me started in coaching at the range.
Once you've figured it out for your rifle its easy to help others.
Dutch
I have never been a fan of Green Mountain Barrels...There is no question that they make high quality safe barrels using the best steel of any contemporary maker (A.I.S.I. 1137)compared to 12L14 used my most other manufacturers and that they take great care in manufacturing. I guess that I really can't tell you actually why I don't prefer them, and I am planning a Vincent with an 13/16 .45 barrel and because of the strong steel I will choose GM over other barrel makers that I do prefer. The example stated about Wonder Lube and the ridiculous size ball recommendations are very interesting. Where did you find these recommendations? In a .50 cal barrel you should start with a .490 ball over a .015 patch, lubed in your favorite lubricant and 75 grain of 2 or 3 f BLACK powder. Start here and shoot your barrel in to determine what load combination works best. I recently started using "Tool Cool" to lube patches. (Tool Cool is a water soluble lubricant that I use in the machine shop to cool cutting tools) with good results. In reality you should experiment with different patch ball load combinations to find what works best. Just clean very carefully with hot soapy water, carefully completely dry, and then lube with a good quality gun oil.
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
I suspect their recommendation is aimed at what may be called "the lowest common denominator" among their customers. This group may contain shooters who, through ignorance or laziness do not clean their barrels as thoroughly as needed, thinking that the lubes in question will let them slide somewhat on the cleaning. Some oils will actually let you do that very thing to a small degree - most greasy substances, not so much. Does this mean everybody who uses Bore Butter or similar fits this category? Not at all! I have used it myself, with good results, and may use it again sometime. But for now I am happy with the lube I make using an olive oil and beeswax mix.
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