new pedersoli problems!

[longcruise]

I think my DIY caps would put a lot of these ignition problems to bed. They make ANY commercial cap seem like a kids capgun.

 

[Coinneach]

I suppose that "might" be part of the problems people have been having with Pedersoli ML's. However, IMO, it is most prevalent with Pedersoli. Out of every muzzleloader I have owned, not once I have ran into this issue. Mind you now, I oil the heck out my muzzlloaders. I've used different oils and now use Ballistol. I do, however, ascertain the entire flash channel is open and clear before I load the first time.

With that said, what we are actually discussing is the issue of misfires after wiping between shots several times. As one poster has stated, after 9 shots the rifle needs to be cleaned. This is indicative of too small of hole in the breech that is the problem child. I do not see in any way where oil would be suspect of this. If oil were the problem, then misfires would have happened from the beginning and not after multiple times of running patches down the bore between shots. I does not happen with any of my other brand of muzzleloaders.

So, how to rectify this? The only thing I can think of is by use of spit patches, which begs another question. How long does one feel comfortable with keeping spit patches down inside a bore before a possible rust issue? How long does one feel comfortable with keeping a wet patch against the powder charge, such as during prolonged hunting trips and/or allowing the ML to sit over night, possibly a couple of days loaded? How long before the spit patches stay moist enough when doing so? Also, how is one going ascertain no rust is down inside the chamber area of a small 32 caliber after using spit patches for a while during extended periods?

All valid points there.
I dont use spit patches even at a Range.

 

[Coinneach]

I cannot speak for the folks that have had issues with their Pedersoli's, and neither can anyone else unless they themselves have personally experienced it. The only thing we can do is go off of what they have experienced. Again, I find it interesting that I have never ran into this situation with none of my other muzzleloaders over the years. Several T/C's, CVA, Lyman, and now Traditions. Since the early 80's when I began shooting ML's, I have always tapped the side of the butt stock after pouring in powder. Nipples has never been an issue other than wearing out. I can and have shot CCI (regular and magnum) and Remington caps off and on with the same nipples and never an issue one.

Not bashing on Pedersoli. Simply trying to determine what the real issue is and how to avoid experiencing such IF I decide to drop over $1K on one that I might be kicking myself later for.

The first thing I did when I got my 2nd hand Pedersoli RM Hawken was fit a Slixshot Nipple, not bagging the original just increasing probabilities in my favour.

 

[Coinneach]

Nipples are generic, you are supposed to take them down to fit the caps. When I still shot cap locks, I had three different nipples to suit whatever cap brand I found. They aren't expensive, ya know. I don't know why people drag their feet to do such a simple thing.
When dumping in the charge, bump the ground with the butt lightly a few times to settle the powder down into the breech.

"Nipples are generic"
As an habitual visitor to SE Asia I beg to differ......

 

[ETipp]

I find that I can create the same issue with misfires if wiping between shots. I work out loads that I can shoot without having to wipe between shots. Although I am shooting a Pedersoli 32, the fact that I can change the lock from percussion to flint on my gun takes it out of your percussion only discussion, so I don’t have anything to offer that you would be interested in.


Where does the oil go when the powder from the first load ignites? In my guns it turns to a sticky tar like substance that seems to attract additional residue from subsequent shots, eventually clogging the fire channel. A real PIA to clean out. Then push additional stuff down the bore towards the breech while swabbing between shots and you have a perfect storm with a chambered breech, particularly a chambered breech in a 32 caliber gun.

This is exactly why I ascertain all oil is completely gone from the flash channel of all of my ML's prior to loading the first time. I remove the nipple, by use of a syringe I shoot a little bit of lacquer thinner completely through the system. Then blow it out with compressed air followed up with a couple of dry cleaning patches. Always, before the first powder charge of the day is poured down the barrel, I snap at least one cap, depending on the sound. There is no more oil in the system anywhere.

This does not negate the residue from patch lube. As I have said, I have done this and shot over 20 times with my Crockett and never the first misfire or plugged flash channel. The only thing I use are smaller cut, moist cleaning patches that has Windex on them. This has also worked flawlessly at the range with my New Englander, and my GPR. Patch lube has been TOTW Mink Oil and previously Bore Butter.

Nothing broken.

To be clear, this entire scenario has been to sort out what's-what with the Pedersoli ML issues. It has been to gain as much information as I can before I spend $1K+ on a ML that might not be conducive to my better interests, in terms of my style of squirrel hunting and the weather conditions in my neck of the woods as well.

It has become clear that there is, and has been, issues with "some" of those ML. What has not been established is which particular year models and style of Pedersoli's are the most problematic, as well as cleaning/loading procedures. With the wide-spread of information/replies, there leaves too much doubt for this ole boy.

I am no longer interested in a Pedersoli.