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exnavynuke

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Hey all. I'm new to this site and muzzleloading in general. I really want a flintlock pistol to hunt deer with. There are tons of kits out there. I love the look of the pedersoli bounty! Today is my bday and for a gift, my wife said go ahead and get one. From other stuff I have read it seems as if the bounty may be hardto come by. Anyone have any input on any flintlock pistols or kits out there that they prefer and why? Thanks!!!!
 
Happy Birthday!

Awesome gift!

What do you plan on hunting with it?

I've looked at a few percussion pistols like that for hunting with, but I'm not sure I'd gain anything over my Old Army. I want one still though...
 
Rodwah, he stated he planned on hunting deer with it. Seems a bit light for taking game the size of deer. In fact, on Pedersoli's web site, it's only recommended for target shooting and historical re-enactment, not hunting wild game.

Pedersoli Bounty Flintlock Model

Cage
 
"...he stated he planned on hunting deer with it. Seems a bit light for taking game the size of deer."

Ooops. Missed it somehow.

I've not used a RB for hunting with, but I've read of many getting passthroughs with cap n ball .44's on deer. But that certainly depends on the size of the deer and the range.

Our deer our quite small, and I'd feel comfortable shooting them with a RB from my Old Army, but I intend on using heavier conicals as we also have heavy hogs.
 
Thanks guys. I wasn't planning on shooting more than probably 30 yds with it. Depending how it shot. I'll find something.
 
exnavynuke said:
I'm new to this site and muzzleloading in general. I really want a flintlock pistol to hunt deer with.
Have you hunted with any kind of handgun before?
 
Can you shoot 97's at 25 yards and 85's at 50 yards on a regular basis from a rest?

If not, leave the pistol at home, as you do not have the necessary profiency with a pistol nor the muzzle energy needed to kill a deer like is needed.
 
I just bought my son a traditions pirate pistol It shoots as good as it looks. Deer can be killed easily if hit n the correct spot. That can be tough with a pistol.You will really have to limit your shots. A deer can look pretty big in the woods but they have to be very close and it is tough to let one walk away because the pistol shot is not there.
 
In response to hunting with a pistol before, yes I have. A normal open sighted, no scope .357, 6 in barrel. I know I have to limit my shots severely and that's fine. I also know that I need to practice a lot before I hunt. Learn the gun. Learn how to shoot. I'm 35 now, hunting for 23 years. I've killed lots of deer. I'm not necessarily about the kill anymore. Moreso, the experience of the hunt. I know its not easy. Wouldn't be trying it if it was.
 
exnavynuke said:
In response to hunting with a pistol before, yes I have. A normal open sighted, no scope .357, 6 in barrel. I know I have to limit my shots severely and that's fine. I also know that I need to practice a lot before I hunt. Learn the gun. Learn how to shoot. I'm 35 now, hunting for 23 years. I've killed lots of deer. I'm not necessarily about the kill anymore. Moreso, the experience of the hunt. I know its not easy. Wouldn't be trying it if it was.

Sir, respectfully, IMO, there is a whale of difference between a .357Mag set up for small-game killing and ANY flintlock pistol.

Those brave souls here who shoot their Ruger Old Army's at hogs et al do so with severely stoked up loads and conicals. Unless you are holding your whitetall by the horns, and looking it in the eyeball, I opine that placing a ball in the right place from ANY flintlock pistol is chancy, to say the least, and is NOT fair to the game to assure a quick death.

tac
 
I would hesitate to hunt deer with a flintlock pistol under any conditions unless you are using a very large caliber pistol at very close range and are an expert shot. If that is your scenario then have at it. Some states put tight restrictions on handgun hunting so check with your wildlife folks before you attempt that.
 
I have been a Traditional Bowhunter for 50yrs and know about having patience to wait for the animal to be at the right range ( for me 20yds or less in the woods)and the right angle ,I think if you use the same guide lines you will be ok with the Bounty, I wanted one for a long time but they are pretty high cost ,so I made one myself it is not a Bounty kit ,it looks like a Kentucy Pistol(50 cal.)=3 1/2 groups at 50yds with 50 grns FFg BP,would not hesitate at a 3o yd shot on deer if the right angle.I have been thinking about building a 54 cal. Shifty
 
There are several muzzle loaders pistols that can do an admirable job on whitetails. Some of the members here are from wide open spaces and a close shot is reasonably unheard of. Here in Penn's woods the average shot at all deer is about 30 yds. Certainly not a problem with a well stoked muzzleloader pistol. The problem is that most of the "economical" items on the market, are poorly suited for precision shooting. Heavy trigger pulls, unbalanced construction, etc. The traditions trapper is heavy and clunky, and needs tuning as built, but is a sufficiently powerful pistol to take whitetail. A few hunters here in PA (where we have a flint only season for three weeks,) use 50 cal Pedersoli bounty hunters. Rather long and unwieldy but well capable in a practiced hand. Some of the more modern design pistols can achieve rifle ballistics easily. The pedersoli Kentucky pistol in 54 is also a fair whitetail gun.

Some of the internet black powder celebs have been preaching that round balls and side locks are insufficient for deer even in rifles. Some where some muzzle loader fans got the idea that whitetail require the equivalent of 19th century English elephant loads to bowl over a Bambi.

You do need more than an Old CVA 45 cal Philadelphia derringer. But there are models that can develop capable 50 yd whitetail ballistics. But you also have to do your part to be proficient. The state of Maryland permits cap and ball revs for whitetail, fallow deer and sika. If you can load 45 grains and a PRB in a 9 inch barrel, you have already beat the ballistics of the revolvers.
 
zimmerstutzen said:
There are several muzzle loaders pistols that can do an admirable job on whitetails. Some of the members here are from wide open spaces and a close shot is reasonably unheard of. Here in Penn's woods the average shot at all deer is about 30 yds. Certainly not a problem with a well stoked muzzleloader pistol. The problem is that most of the "economical" items on the market, are poorly suited for precision shooting. Heavy trigger pulls, unbalanced construction, etc. The traditions trapper is heavy and clunky, and needs tuning as built, but is a sufficiently powerful pistol to take whitetail. A few hunters here in PA (where we have a flint only season for three weeks,) use 50 cal Pedersoli bounty hunters. Rather long and unwieldy but well capable in a practiced hand. Some of the more modern design pistols can achieve rifle ballistics easily. The pedersoli Kentucky pistol in 54 is also a fair whitetail gun.

Some of the internet black powder celebs have been preaching that round balls and side locks are insufficient for deer even in rifles. Some where some muzzle loader fans got the idea that whitetail require the equivalent of 19th century English elephant loads to bowl over a Bambi.

You do need more than an Old CVA 45 cal Philadelphia derringer. But there are models that can develop capable 50 yd whitetail ballistics. But you also have to do your part to be proficient. The state of Maryland permits cap and ball revs for whitetail, fallow deer and sika. If you can load 45 grains and a PRB in a 9 inch barrel, you have already beat the ballistics of the revolvers.


OP - that needs to be read and fully understood.

However, please note that a 200gr PRB at 900 fps has only 240.6 ft lbs m/e.

A 158gr bullet at 1400 fps has 687.6 ft lbs m/e.

tac
 
Not sure where you got your figures TAC. Per the Lyman Black powder Handbook, 1st ed. page 218, a 220 grain .535 round ball going 900 ft/s generates ME of 414 ft/lbs and still has 316 ft/lbs at 50 yds. Additionally, a 54 hole is much bigger than a 44.

It really doesn't take much powder to reach that speed.

According to the same source, a Ruger Old army, even loaded with full capacity 4fg does not generate but 3/4 of that energy with ball or bullet.
 
zimmerstutzen said:
Not sure where you got your figures TAC. Per the Lyman Black powder Handbook, 1st ed. page 218, a 220 grain .535 round ball going 900 ft/s generates ME of 414 ft/lbs and still has 316 ft/lbs at 50 yds. Additionally, a 54 hole is much bigger than a 44.

It really doesn't take much powder to reach that speed.

According to the same source, a Ruger Old army, even loaded with full capacity 4fg does not generate but 3/4 of that energy with ball or bullet.


THIS - http://www.reloadammo.com/footpound2.htm

and yes, I goofed - it gives me a figure for a 200gr projectile @900 fps of 359.7 ft lbs.


I also agree about the importance of the hole-size. However, fust you have to put the hole in the right place.

tac
 
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I didn't realize that I had capitalized your screen name, sorry!

Shot placement with any firearm is key to hunting. whether a rifle or pistol. Granted a pistol would not have as large a lethal zone as a rifle. With several of my pistols, At 25 yds, I can hit a 6 inch circle 95% of the time. That is good enough for the kill zone on deer. Now if i could just convince the deer to stand still like the target does....
 
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