If youv been on about 2 years weve had a groupe of 20 or more people that are REALLY into underhammers, back then GMWW and I was called the "underhammer guys" . A new one showed up about a year or more back on here that is like the orgs,( all parts are inside, it doesnt use the triggerguard spring) but the guy makeing the first one died, well this mornning I got a E and pics (I dont know how to put on here) so contact at [email protected] hope that at least works. they are built one at a time and run about 1.000 each. Fred :hatsoff: