New Work: Rifled English Fowler Stocked in Maple

[dave_person]

Hi Folks,
I haven't posted much recently because the Braintree Hill shop is very busy. We recently worked over a bunch of Pedersoli and Miroku Brown Besses, some requiring locks to be rebuilt. The main objective was to engrave regimental markings but quite a few needed serious lock work to function safely and reliably. Anyway, we did the engraving.










And we fixed the locks and guns in time for "Battle Road".

I am making a gun for a friend and client that copies a good quality English fowler but is modified using a maple stock and rifled barrel. It is a fantasy piece unlike most of my work. It will copy the design of this original gun.







However, it will be a little more robust allowing for a strong full 3/8" diameter ramrod. The owner will hunt elk with it as well as deer. The barrel is octagon to round, 54 caliber, and 42" long by Rice. The lock is a Chamber's Colonial Virginia lock. The brass butt plate is the "Dubbs" longrifle plate sold by TOW but modified to look like ones commonly used on English fowlers. The stock is an exceptionally figured blank of hard maple. It has a humped standing breech and barrel keys.










I've posted many times about inletting these kinds of buttplates but will do so again. They are not hard but a little fiddley. I first simply trace the profile of the plate on the stock marking the location of the first shoulder.



Then I trim the stock on the bandsaw to my tracing and accurately cut off the first shoulder with a Japanese hand saw.




With that shoulder cut away, I can lay the tang down on the stock and trace the outline of the first part of it. I inlet it slowly from heel to end laying it down gradually into the stock.

Because the tang gets progressively smaller toward the front, you can gradually move the plate forward on the stock until it is positioned correctly and all edges are tight against the stock.







It is not hard but you need to go slow and use some sort of inletting black or smoke.

dave

 

[PathfinderNC]

Was kind-of wondering where you were, but had an inkling you were up to something like this
I had tried to find your earlier posts of butt plate inletting, but remembered much of it for a current project. Your tutorials are irreplaceable.

 

[James Kibler]

Looking nice. This makes me feel better. I know many are going to want our fowler kit in maple and I cringe a bit, but also like to make sales and please customers!

 

[rich pierce]

Dave, fun project. What hooked breech are you using there?

 

[dave_person]

Hi and thanks guys,
It is fun but the curly stock is tough to work. It is really hard and the figure risks tear outs. I have to use very shallow cuts when planing the stock. It is a fantasy not so much because of the maple stock but the rifled barrel. I have photos of a John Manton sporting gun made about 1800 and stocked in figured maple. So maple was used occasionally by the British makers and certainly fowlers stocked in 18th century America often had figured maple stocks. Grinslade shows a bunch of "British style" guns stocked in figured maple and even one in cherry, and another in ash.

Rich,
I always use the standard breech plug fitted to the barrel for the hook. I cut off the tang and file the bolster into the hook. The standing breech is from TRS. I buy half a dozen Twigg and Griffin breeches at a time and then shape them as I need. The machined breech by Rice is very nicely made but the tang portion is way too short. If you use large locks like Chambers or Kibler's round faced English locks, you have to have a trigger plate that extends way far forward to catch the breech bolt and then it interferes with the trigger guard tab. I don't know why Jason made it that way. It really limits its use and it does not look right. I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I am also working on a Baker rifle, which I have not posted yet, and I am finishing up a turn off pistol for the folks at Fort Dobbs, NC. It will be a very busy summer.

dave

 

[PathfinderNC]

Hi and thanks guys,
It is fun but the curly stock is tough to work. It is really hard and the figure risks tear outs. I have to use very shallow cuts when planing the stock. It is a fantasy not so much because of the maple stock but the rifled barrel. I have photos of a John Manton sporting gun made about 1800 and stocked in figured maple. So maple was used occasionally by the British makers and certainly fowlers stocked in 18th century America often had figured maple stocks. Grinslade shows a bunch of "British style" guns stocked in figured maple and even one in cherry, and another in ash.

Rich,
I always use the standard breech plug fitted to the barrel for the hook. I cut off the tang and file the bolster into the hook. The standing breech is from TRS. I buy half a dozen Twigg and Griffin breeches at a time and then shape them as I need. The machined breech by Rice is very nicely made but the tang portion is way too short. If you use large locks like Chambers or Kibler's round faced English locks, you have to have a trigger plate that extends way far forward to catch the breech bolt and then it interferes with the trigger guard tab. I don't know why Jason made it that way. It really limits its use and it does not look right. I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I am also working on a Baker rifle, which I have not posted yet, and I am finishing up a turn off pistol for the folks at Fort Dobbs, NC. It will be a very busy summer.

dave

Fort Dobbs is nearby and I know a reenactor who volunteers there. I will be watching any info about the turn off pistol going there!

 

[dave_person]

Hi Bob,
It will go to Scott Douglas at the fort. It is built but not yet decorated as it should be.

dave

 

[PathfinderNC]

Hi Bob,
It will go to Scott Douglas at the fort. It is built but not yet decorated as it should be.

dave

I believe I met him at their Living History event last February. Really nice fellow. I’m wondering if and how it would be displayed at the Fort. Looking forward to seeing it!

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
I am not going to post every detail of this project but I am going to select some segments that may be of real use to folks. One topic or question that comes up a lot on this and other forums is how to make or where can one get side plates and other decorative inlays. I recommend that folks try to make their own side plates so they can tailor the design to their guns and locks and it helps develop design and tool skills. The sideplate is the perfect inlay to learn from. It is mortised into a flat surface, it is large and often (not always) uncomplicated, and it can be fitted to your already drilled lock bolt holes. It is a much easier proposition than a patch box, toe plate, or even a wrist plate. Here is the side plate I made for this project. I wanted it to copy the original gun I am using as a model but the forward extension on that side plate did not adapt well to a shorter design that fits my lock. So I punted and used a generic design found on many British guns for the forward extension. The rest of the plate followed the original.



It is made from 3/32" thick brass sheet. It was made using a hack saw, two drill bits for an electric hand drill, and one half round file. That's it.










The contours of the file determined the contours of the side plate as if the file was both file and template. By using the same portion of the file at points that needed to be symmetrical, I kept it all even. This is basic tool work and the result is elegant and plausible given the objectives of the project. Learning file work is basic to gun making. When I was 9 or 10 years old and wanted to make things in my Dad's shop, he gave me an ugly chunk of pine and said file it into a 3 dimensional rectangle. Then he had me file it into a perfect cube. Once I did that to his satisfaction, he had me file it into a perfect sphere. I never forgot those lessons and later he had me do much the same with a chunk of brass.

dave

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
I got a lot of shaping done. You can begin to see the final shape. It should be pretty elegant.



I am still not sure how slim I will make the wrist and lock section. This is a rifle that will be used for hunting big game including elk and moose so I think I may want it a little more robust than the original fowler that is my model. I am kind of thinking the size of Jim Kibler's colonial rifle through the wrist.






In shaping the lock and wrist area, I mainly use rasps. The only chisel (gouges) work is around the front nose of the lock and side plate panels. I've noted over the years that many folks struggle shaping these areas. I do not cut any moldings around the panels until the gun is fully shaped and ready for carving. I shape the areas as contours of the stock rather than separate "cut in" frames. One area that may trouble new builders is the step on the side plate side at the breech. On British guns this is rarely an abrupt step. It is almost always rounded and smoothed flowing downward toward the front either as a continuous line or with a slight step mirroring the lock side. On this gun, I am shaping it with a slight step because I've done so many with the continuous line.







Note that the concave surface above the nose and along the barrel is broad and almost flat and then transitions to a tight cove around the nose. I shape that with a very shallow sweep and a 3/4" diameter round scraper. You can see how the tang of the standing breech is perched rather than imbedded in a fatter rounded surface. The humped breech provides a very elegant profile. Another area that causes trouble for some is the underside of the lock area. I've seen countless guns on which the bottoms were too flat. I think folks get nervous about curving it because they think they need a flat surface for the trigger guard. It should be nicely rounded with a smooth transition joining with the more rounded forestock and the transition from convex shape to the concave shape of the throat joining the wrist.







This is all done with rasps, a half round file, and a large rat tailed file. It will eventually be smoothed with scrapers and the flats around the lock will be very thin except right at the nose.

dave

 

[dave_person]

HI,
Richard that is a grand description. A snake's head! Well, Maria is back from school and the shop is humming with activity. We have 4 different guns actively being made. The photo shows my rifled fowler and Maria working on a British officer's fusil. We have a lot of work to do this summer.

dave

 

[Relic shooter]

You do exceptionally nice work Dave.
Those who haven't tried Printers Ink might want to give it a try to speed up the inletting process.
This old fashioned thick printers ink was used with roller & plate presses, it goes on thin & stays put longer than other methods during inletting & removes easily with thinner or alcohol.
I'm long retired from building but will try to locate the can & post a photo of the product in case there is interest in trying it.
Relic shooter

 

[Eterry]

HI,
Richard that is a grand description. A snake's head! Well, Maria is back from school and the shop is humming with activity. We have 4 different guns actively being made. The photo shows my rifled fowler and Maria working on a British officer's fusil. We have a lot of work to do this summer.

dave

Dave, I'm so jealous of Maria. To have such a marvelous mentor to learn from.

 

[Rudyard]

Hi and thanks guys,
It is fun but the curly stock is tough to work. It is really hard and the figure risks tear outs. I have to use very shallow cuts when planing the stock. It is a fantasy not so much because of the maple stock but the rifled barrel. I have photos of a John Manton sporting gun made about 1800 and stocked in figured maple. So maple was used occasionally by the British makers and certainly fowlers stocked in 18th century America often had figured maple stocks. Grinslade shows a bunch of "British style" guns stocked in figured maple and even one in cherry, and another in ash.

Rich,
I always use the standard breech plug fitted to the barrel for the hook. I cut off the tang and file the bolster into the hook. The standing breech is from TRS. I buy half a dozen Twigg and Griffin breeches at a time and then shape them as I need. The machined breech by Rice is very nicely made but the tang portion is way too short. If you use large locks like Chambers or Kibler's round faced English locks, you have to have a trigger plate that extends way far forward to catch the breech bolt and then it interferes with the trigger guard tab. I don't know why Jason made it that way. It really limits its use and it does not look right. I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I am also working on a Baker rifle, which I have not posted yet, and I am finishing up a turn off pistol for the folks at Fort Dobbs, NC. It will be a very busy summer.

dave

Your the man . I used to stock in Sycomore in effect a Maple in all but name . I could get that while Walnut was harder to find in wood yards and some of the best stuff was saved from being riven for fence posts ! they thought the outstanding curl was chain saw cuts .
Regards Rudyard

 

[dave_person]

Hi Guys,
Thanks you all for the comments. I will be posting more photos very soon. The rifle is almost done but I just have not had time to take photos and write them up for posting. We have a huge work load this summer and I can barely find time for participating on the forum. I will post more very soon.

dave

 

[godutch]

Hello Dave, 'Love seeing things like this. I have a quite similar project in process ie: an English fowler w/rifled barrel. Although mine would be of colonial manf. not proper English made like yours. I'm relying heavily on those shown in Grinslade's book for design que's. Thanks for posting on this one, it looks like a fun build. Cheers, Fred

 

[WALT53]

Hello Dave, 'Love seeing things like this. I have a quite similar project in process ie: an English fowler w/rifled barrel. Although mine would be of colonial manf. not proper English made like yours. I'm relying heavily on those shown in Grinslade's book for design que's. Thanks for posting on this one, it looks like a fun build. Cheers, Fred

Hi Dave thanks for sharing .

 

[dave_person]

Hi,
Done. It took a while for the finish to cure given the high humidity but it is well baked now. It has a Rice 54 cal, 42" octagon to round rifled barrel. The stock is red maple and the lock is Chambers colonial Virginia. The butt plate is a modified "Dubbs" long rifle plate and the trigger guard is by Chambers but modified to include the border ribs on the bow. The wrist plate was carved in wax and then cast in brass by me. It was then chiseled, polished and engraved. It has a humped standing breech with barrel keys. The gun closely follows the lines of an original in my possession and the engraving in mostly copied from that gun. It could be like a good quality fowler style gun imported to the colonies, or maybe a rifle stocked in America from English parts, or simply pure fantasy. The stock is a bit more robust than the original because the gun will be used to hunt deer, elk, and moose. It came out OK. I had trouble with the wood because it tore out very easily where there is a lot of curl. The difference between soft and hard spots was very great.


























dave

 

[godutch]

Oh that's very nice ! I knew I was going to like this one. Thanks !!

 

[Brokennock]

Hi,
Done. It took a while for the finish to cure given the high humidity but it is well baked now. It has a Rice 54 cal, 42" octagon to round rifled barrel. The stock is red maple and the lock is Chambers colonial Virginia. The butt plate is a modified "Dubbs" long rifle plate and the trigger guard is by Chambers but modified to include the border ribs on the bow. The wrist plate was carved in wax and then cast in brass by me. It was then chiseled, polished and engraved. It has a humped standing breech with barrel keys. The gun closely follows the lines of an original in my possession and the engraving in mostly copied from that gun. It could be like a good quality fowler style gun imported to the colonies, or maybe a rifle stocked in America from English parts, or simply pure fantasy. The stock is a bit more robust than the original because the gun will be used to hunt deer, elk, and moose. It came out OK. I had trouble with the wood because it tore out very easily where there is a lot of curl. The difference between soft and hard spots was very great.


























dave

Fabulous! Truly fantastic in every way.
Thank you for taking the time to share with us.