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This place becomes more ridiculous every day. :rolleyes: I'd bore all of you with daily tutorials on how to correctly build muzzleloaders but your heads would all explode and make a mess....maybe not a bad idea!
Maybe this place needs a new subforum.
The Trophy Bench
No negative or constructive comments will be tolerated in the trophy bench. The trophy bench cares about feelings and self-image. Since positive comments are not all inclusive, they also may not be allowed. Everybody gets a trophy, a sticker or 5 stars.
The Trophy Bench will work well since we can make up our own truth and history as we go. Everybody gets the trophy since there are no masters, no apprentices.
The proletariat can be rewarded without the fear of the mean old bourgeoisie.
 
Here's a tutorial I made many years ago. I think you'll find it helpful in shaping your lock panels.
https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=31173.0
It's on the ALR under tutorials if this link doesn't work.

If all you Nellies in pink ladies underwear will take note, I have been trying to teach people the craft for many years, with great effort and no financial gain.

This place becomes more ridiculous every day. :rolleyes: I'd bore all of you with daily tutorials on how to correctly build muzzleloaders but your heads would all explode and make a mess....maybe not a bad idea!
Please feel free to insult any of my projects. If you can manage to hurt my long ago extinguished feelings, I will purchase you the drink of your choice if I am ever in your area, or attend one of your classes. I am guessing from your red underwear it is Bud Light?
 
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Maybe this place needs a new subforum.
The Trophy Bench
No negative or constructive comments will be tolerated in the trophy bench. The trophy bench cares about feelings and self-image. Since positive comments are not all inclusive, they also may not be allowed. Everybody gets a trophy, a sticker or 5 stars.
The Trophy Bench will work well since we can make up our own truth and history as we go. Everybody gets the trophy since there are no masters, no apprentices.
The proletariat can be rewarded without the fear of the mean old bourgeoisie.
Oh, and no guns allowed, right?
 
In spirit of your last sentence about the next one going better.
First thing, you are a " rifle builder".
You build a good rifle. Your rifles are better than most mid-20th Century (1950s-80s) builds.
You can build a very fine rifle instead of a good rifle.

Here's what I see.
You overdo the lock panels and underdo the architecture.

If you get the architecture right everything pretty much falls into place. The best way I can tell you how to form a lock panel is not to form a lock panel.
Lock panels just appear.
If the lower forestock is right, If the wrist is right, If the tang area is right. If the trigger area or belly of the stock is right, the lock panel will appear as the wood is shaped to or away from the drawn line around the lock. It's just a matter of removing wood and it just appears.
Tweak it, shape until it looks right but do not overdo it.
Tools for this....
A pattern makers rasp I like a #50. This type of rasp is flat and round. (This starts the general shape as you transition from the plane of the forestock and the plane of the lock panel.)
A rattail rasp or course rattail file. (The rattail gives the tighter radius and really helps define the panel.)
Scrapers
flat chisels (sparingly)
Maybe a dowel wrapped in sandpaper......
This helps remove any humps in the transition from the panel to the forestock or wrist. It takes a light touch.
Let's start with the forestock and show the transition to the lock panel....
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr
^^^^^
One of the basic rules of architecture is that the lower forestock is 1/8" wider than the barrel at it's widest point. The upper forestock is 1/16" wider than the barrel at it's widest point. The photo above is the rear sight where the upper forestock transitions into the lower forestock.
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr
My finger is just below the widest portion of the upper forestock. Notice the glare. The forestock is V'ed on this particular rifle. Above the widest point it rounds into the barrel flat with a feather edge. Notice that most of the ramrod is showing and a great deal of the side barrel flat.
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr
Above, my finger is the widest point of the lower forestock. The forestock is rounded and it to rounds from the widest point into the barrel flat with a feather edge. Notice that it's wide point is below the wide point of the upper forestock. This is common longrifle architecture.
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr
Above you can see the transition from forestock into the side/lock panel. You can really see the detail on the side plate side as the frizzen hides a lot on the lock side. Notice the smooth transition. This is seen on the original 1810 Matthew Gillespie.
Think about how you can use your rasp, file and other tools to make this transition. It's not a blob at the lock, it's a smooth transition.
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr

IMG_0443 by Travis Brown, on Flickr
An original Jacob Roosa 1840....
My Gillespie....
Notice how the top of the side panel corresponds or continues the line of the side flat of the barrel. Architechture....
IMG_0446 by Travis Brown, on Flickr
The Gillespie Swoop....
Notice how the barrel channel drops revealing a great deal of the side flat and then swoops up into the breech face of the stock. Architectural feature of some Gillespies and early longrifles. Again, notice how the barrel side flat line continues on into the top side panel line. Notice the transition from forestock into the nose of the side panel. Yep, it's cracked. That's what happens when you clean a delicate longrifle like a musket. Heel of the stock on the ground, at an angle.....it was too much for it. I was a little too hard on it at the Fort. You need to clean these delicately.
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr
Lock side.... It's a little different but they do not have to match perfectly.

Crow, I'm not trying to be critical. I'm trying to help you improve. My rifle has a lot of boo boos, but it does have good architecture.
Study original guns, handle them if you can. Go to shows, get the books.
I priced one of Tracks cheapest kits, It was over 900 bucks for their base kit. That's a lot of dough. That's a lot of money to spend. I hope I have helped some.
I hoped I helped you to start getting the eye for architecture.

Now that was truly helpful.
I disagree. He has a ton of expertise that some of us benefit from. This is just a hobby for me in retirement. I have gotten quite a few tidbits. He also has a ton of credibility that most do not.
Fortunately for me I find his replies rather entertaining, but I am sure others do also.
This forum will suffer if he decides to leave.
We also have one far more abrasive that has little skill. We put up with him and find him somewhat entertaining once we accept the childish nonsensical responses.

I understand that Uncle Evil’s expertise can give more weight to his terse prose, but even if you do not find it entertaining as I do it is still worth taking heed.
full disclosure here……I’ve been on here less than a year. Since I’ve been here I’ve not seen any post by Mike Brooks that was helpful in any way.

He always brags about how many rifles he’s built. But the funny thing is I’ve never heard of him except on here. I don’t know of anyone else that has either.
 
Or you could. I’d rather read Mike’s stuff than any 20 others. What’s wrong with you people?
Your post defies logic. I came here to learn something not tell everyone how great I am or tell others how stupid they are for doing something I disagree with. And tell them what they built is junk.

If I have offended you because I called out your hero then you are welcome to block me. In fact I suggest it.
 
Your post defies logic. I came here to learn something not tell everyone how great I am or tell others how stupid they are for doing something I disagree with. And tell them what they built is junk.

If I have offended you because I called out your hero then you are welcome to block me. In fact I suggest it.
How does it defy logic?
I'm sure you yourself have a few people who's posts you would rather read than most others,,,, and that doesn't even need to mean you don't want to read those others.
So that would also mean that your snarky little "hero" comment holds no merit too.
 
6 pages and most of it has nothing to do with the man's rifle. 🙄

Most of you need a little,

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Now that was truly helpful.

full disclosure here……I’ve been on here less than a year. Since I’ve been here I’ve not seen any post by Mike Brooks that was helpful in any way.

He always brags about how many rifles he’s built. But the funny thing is I’ve never heard of him except on here. I don’t know of anyone else that has either.
Been living under a rock? Do you doubt my resume?
Google my name and the word flintlock. That should bring you up to speed.
I have over 10,000 posts on the ALR....
Why are you so damned mad anyway?
 
Now that was truly helpful.

full disclosure here……I’ve been on here less than a year. Since I’ve been here I’ve not seen any post by Mike Brooks that was helpful in any way.

He always brags about how many rifles he’s built. But the funny thing is I’ve never heard of him except on here. I don’t know of anyone else that has either.
There is a documentary film on him. I think it was done by Michigan outdoors. Granted he is not much to look at but he is pretty famous in this circle.
I see you are from Arkansas. I grew up near there. I admire people that live without electricity but it will shelter you from many things both good and bad…and in this case evil.
 
Any one who knows who Jud Brennan, Gary Birch, Chuck Edwards, Hershel House etc. etc. are has heard of Mike Brooks.

I have to admit that he was a little off putting at first on this forum but so was Bruce Horne in person, one of the most talented artists most muzzleloaders never heard of. When you realize he is like Bruce and does not tolerate fools very well, then your on the path to appreciating his input.
 
Any one who knows who Jud Brennan, Gary Birch, Chuck Edwards, Hershel House etc. etc. are has heard of Mike Brooks.

I have to admit that he was a little off putting at first on this forum but so was Bruce Horne in person, one of the most talented artists most muzzleloaders never heard of. When you realize he is like Bruce and does not tolerate fools very well, then your on the path to appreciating his input.
I've never heard of these guys, either.
I don't doubt the knowledge and expertise of any of them.
However well known they may be amongst flintlock rifle builders, it should be remembered that flintlock rifles are very small slice of a very large firearms universe, and someone new that comes here to enlarge their overall firearms knowldege and experience by exploring that new slice of their universe isn't going to know of any of them. If their first experience here is a negative one, then they're likely to go elsewhere. Every new person investigating black powder muzzleloading is going to seem like a real dummy at first. Be helpful, not critical, or your slice of an expanding universe is just going to shrink over time.
 
We don’t discuss other than muzzle loaders. That is what this site is about. It is odd to get on a site with no experience and say “I have never heard of him” and expect it to carry weight.

Other firearms experience doesn’t mean much. We talk more about building than anything. I spent over 20 years full time teaching small arms for our uncle. It means nothing when building a flintlock.

I think this segment of firearms is growing.

If I lived up in that area I would get some carving lessons from Uncle Evil.
 
6 pages and most of it has nothing to do with the man's rifle. 🙄

Most of you need a little,

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So true. It's because all of those here that wear ladies underwear hate my guts and have to let me know about it over and over.
The guys that come to my classes over and over think I'm worthy of their time and money. I guess it's just guys on the internet that get my information for free have problems with me.
 

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How does it defy logic?
I'm sure you yourself have a few people who's posts you would rather read than most others,,,, and that doesn't even need to mean you don't want to read those others.
So that would also mean that your snarky little "hero" comment holds no merit too.
If you don’t understand after reading that post then I can’t explain to you.
 
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