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Ohio Rusty said:
There are several different nipples that are a two piece nipple and accepts a large rifle primer. Dixie carries one called a primer nipple. Warren custom outdoor carries one that they call A Mag-Spark. There is another one called the Accu shot nipple.

At the show I was at this weekend, there was a seller there that had tins #10 and #11 percussion caps for $15 a tin. I thought his prices were too high but he is doing what all the other sellers are doing.
Ohio Rusty ><>
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I use Mag Sparks on a few of my rifles. They're handy for range plinking
 
Some of the most cantankerous people i ever dealt with are muzzleloader hunters/shooters.

In the runup to deer season 2022 i put several people on #11 caps at Wal Mart and Academy. A local hunter called asking where he could find #11 caps. Told him i had just returned from Wal Mart and they had caps. The man ranted about why he would never buy anything at Wal Mart.

Just before season he called again. i was first inclined to say i had none. But old softy gave him a full can and a partial can of #11 caps. Gave another hunter a pound and a half of Schuetzen BP: He brought me some meat from his elk.

i've been reloading ammunition since 1953 or 54. When Wal Mart came to this part of the country they drove a regional chain of stores out of business. Those stores all carried a very large selection of reloading stuff. For a year or two Wal Mart carried a small selection of reloading stuff but stopped.

Powder has nearly doubled in price in a couple years, so has primers. Thankfully i was well stocked before the shortage. i did run short on IMR 3031 and bought some from Cabela's at $45 per pound with tax.
 
Okie Hog said:
Some of the most cantankerous people i ever dealt with are muzzleloader hunters/shooters.

In the runup to deer season 2022 i put several people on #11 caps at Wal Mart and Academy. A local hunter called asking where he could find #11 caps. Told him i had just returned from Wal Mart and they had caps. The man ranted about why he would never buy anything at Wal Mart.

Just before season he called again. i was first inclined to say i had none. But old softy gave him a full can and a partial can of #11 caps. Gave another hunter a pound and a half of Schuetzen BP: He brought me some meat from his elk.

i've been reloading ammunition since 1953 or 54. When Wal Mart came to this part of the country they drove a regional chain of stores out of business. Those stores all carried a very large selection of reloading stuff. For a year or two Wal Mart carried a small selection of reloading stuff but stopped.

Powder has nearly doubled in price in a couple years, so has primers. Thankfully i was well stocked before the shortage. i did run short on IMR 3031 and bought some from Cabela's at $45 per pound with tax.
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There's honestly no pleasing some people......

I try to live in between Realist and Purist

I shoot real black , I shoot subs, I buy caps when I see them and try to stock up.

90% of people don't listen to advice anyway and out of the millions of Americans who identify as "gun enthusiasts " half are not friends of the 2A or only worry about their little niche of the shooting world

We have the "Fudds" who are just miserable and live in some weird zone where they are outwardly avid shooters but then can also be your worst enemy because he's the guy buying all 47 tins of caps and 20 bricks of Thunderbolt .22 to bury in his garage

The Fudds hate the Tacti-Chads "dam kids and those mouse guns" the Tacti-Chads look down on the Fudds i.e. "those old guys that sit for 4 hours playing with .22 rifles and yelling at us for Rapid Firing" and all the other shooting tropes that I guess we all fit into in some way

I have many hobbies and pretty much all of them have some form of Elitism and groups within the group that don't get along....
Generation Gaps, hoarders , etc etc
 
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Stantheman86 said:
There's honestly no pleasing some people......

I try to live in between Realist and Purist

I shoot real black , I shoot subs, I buy caps when I see them and try to stock up.

90% of people don't listen to advice anyway and out of the millions of Americans who identify as "gun enthusiasts " half are not friends of the 2A or only worry about their little niche of the shooting world

We have the "Fudds" who are just miserable and live in some weird zone where they are outwardly avid shooters but then can also be your worst enemy because he's the guy buying all 47 tins of caps and 20 bricks of Thunderbolt .22 to bury in his garage

The Fudds hate the Tacti-Chads "dam kids and those mouse guns" the Tacti-Chads look down on the Fudds i.e. "those old guys that sit for 4 hours playing with .22 rifles and yelling at us for Rapid Firing" and all the other shooting tropes that I guess we all fit into in some way

I have many hobbies and pretty much all of them have some form of Elitism and groups within the group that don't get along....
Generation Gaps, hoarders , etc etc
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real good post.
 
“Hoarding” is best defined by individual context. Pandemic time, saw a lady I knew in the local Target with her kid. They were queued up to check out with 3 overflowing carts, including several jumbo packs of TP. A “Karen” behind her decided to start making rude “hoarding” remarks loudly to the world. I then equally loudly, asked for everyone’s attention. “Who here is okay with Foster kids being starved to death?”, I asked. Not one hand went up. I then acknowledged my friend and pointed out that she and her family foster 8 kids besides her blood offspring. I finished with, “The ‘Karen’ behind seems to think it’s okay, as she’s bregrudging them buying household groceries and sanitation needs.” ’Karen’ left HER cart behind and walked out to loud catcalls and boos.
 
BackDraft said:
“Hoarding” is best defined by individual context. Pandemic time, saw a lady I knew in the local Target with her kid. They were queued up to check out with 3 overflowing carts, including several jumbo packs of TP. A “Karen” behind her decided to start making rude “hoarding” remarks loudly to the world. I then equally loudly, asked for everyone’s attention. “Who here is okay with Foster kids being starved to death?”, I asked. Not one hand went up. I then acknowledged my friend and pointed out that she and her family foster 8 kids besides her blood offspring. I finished with, “The ‘Karen’ behind seems to think it’s okay, as she’s bregrudging them buying household groceries and sanitation needs.” ’Karen’ left HER cart behind and walked out to loud catcalls and boos.
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so now you equate hoarding powder and caps to starving kids of food?? can you make soup out of BP?
 
SPQR70AD said:
so now you equate hoarding powder and caps to starving kids of food?? can you make soup out of BP?
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Re-read the first sentence. If you shoot often, then your supply always looks excessive to the ‘every other month’ shooter. Had a city FF look at the 3 tankers in my station (all carried 3000 gallons) and wonder why we needed so many fire trucks for a small department. Told him we didn’t have hydrants in our area and those trucks supplied a total of 6 minutes of water.
 
FishDFly said:
This thread sure has seem to run it's purpose, they shoot horses do they not?
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It seems to be a trend, that almost every thread lately has turned into an argument

I think we're all just in the mid winter cranky period, $5 eggs, can't go shooting enough ....I don't know 😃
I just had to add 2 more to my block list on another thread
 
My theory is this..... it's not the availability, it's the price.....

We equate very high prices with availability

There are plenty of online places like that KYGUNCO to order caps, my local places have caps , Powderinc has black powder , it's out there , but people used to paying $5 a tin or $20 per lb are like "I'm not paying $15 per tin for caps that's gouging!"

So that equates to shortage, to them.

The same for ammunition. My local Dunham's has enough 5.56 to outfit a Battalion. All the ammunition I could ever need is available , it's just 50- 75 cents per round now. Online sources have lots of 1000 round cases of common calibers available if you're willing to pay. There's no shortage

Any one of us can currently get anything we need to shoot our guns

We've all seen "shortage" several times.....who remembers the Obama panic of 2008, or the panic after that when people were on the news leaving gun shops with 7 AR15s .

And there wasn't a round of anything, anywhere. Maybe if you got lucky you could score some 20 Gauge birdshot or .357 Sig or some other oddball crap.

We haven't yet seen the next "shortage " so if someone needs to drain their savings account to buy ammunition or caps, I guess do so now

I'd rather spend my money adding more peanut butter and powdered eggs to my stash
 
In the last few days, I visited, on line, Buffalo Arms, Midway USA, Powder, Inc., Powder Valley and Graf and Sons. While most are showing BP available, none are showing caps. Sheel’s has them, but they don’t ship and Walmart does not send them to their stores in the SE. Can’t blame this shortage on hoarders, would like to see the NMLRA do some contacting of manufacturers and report to its members. I’ve contacted Winchester, CCI, and Remington, no responses regarding my inquiries. And while Swiss and Schuetzen are again importing, RWS caps are out of stock where dealers show them as a product. Yes, this subject has been beat on often, but hasn’t shown any sign of improving, except for KYGUNCO.
 
All of the problems with the buying of powder, primers, or eggs and gas have been initiated by your benevalent government that loves you, and wants you to do what it says. Buy what you want to buy and as much of it as you can get. It's not really up to anyone on this board to bad mouth anybody because they can get what someone else is unable to get. By the way seeing as it's the government that is the root of evil in this great land of ours have many of us on this board written or contacted their government representative complaining of these matters. It should be done whether they listen to us or not.
 
Stantheman86 said:
Every man must govern himself.....during the "Pandemic " I took a long hiatus from the shooting sports after having been very heavily involved in Handgun matches, mostly with DA revolvers requiring me to shoot 1-2000 rounds of .38 or .45 ACP through my moonclipped match revolvers to stay any kind of proficient on top of reloading with dummy rounds at home.

It became all-consuming, kind of like some people here, where most of my free time was dominated by finding ammo, obsessing over ammo, training and basically living at the Range. Then things got super expensive and I took a break. I just now looked at the box full of match rigs and gear I used to use , now sitting neglected in my basement but I'm glad I had those years where my skills with a moonclipped Ruger Redhawk were almost kinda noteworthy among maybe 20 people at Regional handgun matches 😃🤠

When I find myself even starting to get back into that mindset , where I'm getting too into finding components......I take a step back and find something else to do for a little while. It's ok to continue to support the 2A but also take a month or two to focus on something else. Coming back to it fresh after a break increases my enjoyment of shooting these old guns even more.
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Trouble is, everything else I try is just as expensive and in just as short of supply.
 
Stantheman86 said:
My theory is this..... it's not the availability, it's the price.....

We equate very high prices with availability

There are plenty of online places like that KYGUNCO to order caps, my local places have caps , Powderinc has black powder , it's out there , but people used to paying $5 a tin or $20 per lb are like "I'm not paying $15 per tin for caps that's gouging!"

So that equates to shortage, to them.

The same for ammunition. My local Dunham's has enough 5.56 to outfit a Battalion. All the ammunition I could ever need is available , it's just 50- 75 cents per round now. Online sources have lots of 1000 round cases of common calibers available if you're willing to pay. There's no shortage

Any one of us can currently get anything we need to shoot our guns

We've all seen "shortage" several times.....who remembers the Obama panic of 2008, or the panic after that when people were on the news leaving gun shops with 7 AR15s .

And there wasn't a round of anything, anywhere. Maybe if you got lucky you could score some 20 Gauge birdshot or .357 Sig or some other oddball crap.

We haven't yet seen the next "shortage " so if someone needs to drain their savings account to buy ammunition or caps, I guess do so now

I'd rather spend my money adding more peanut butter and powdered eggs to my stash
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My theory is availability drives the price and vice versa. Going back to the early nineties, Bill Clinton said, if we can't stop the guns, we'll drive the price up to where they can't afford to shoot them. So far, his administration, Obama's, Bush's and now Biden's have taken this to heart. Seems as if the shortage may be from Bill's boss, Hillary.
 
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