FOR SALE Numrich Arms Barrel

[Kcharles]

Numrich Arms Barrel. Appears to be a muzzleloading drop-in conversion to percussion 45 for 45/70 Trap Door. I am not sure, received this in a trade. 200.00 delivered, continental 48. Appears to be unfired flash rust on exterior of barrel see picks. 36" long to Breach approx. 39" over all length, rifled barrel, unknown rate of twist. See pics.

 

[Kcharles]

Pics

 

[Kcharles]

Pics

 

[Tumbledown]

Not a trap door, which has a door at the breech for loading cartridges and a firing pin. This is 100% percussion. Not 45-70, either, which is a cartridge.

 

[2 shots]

they made these to convert a trapdoor to m/l. they were 45 cal.

 

[Tumbledown]

they made these to convert a trapdoor to m/l. they were 45 cal.

That makes sense. The original description was confusing.

 

[Kcharles]

So any information on this would be appreciated,

 

[cebusey]

Not a trap door, which has a door at the breech for loading cartridges and a firing pin. This is 100% percussion. Not 45-70, either, which is a cartridge.

Numrich made a drop in muzzle loader barrel that would drop into a trapdoor. If my memory is correct, they were 45 caliber and I think the "kit" came with a hammer as well.

 

[dave61965]

Yes this was a drop in barrel for a trapdoor stock, .45 caliber, I don’t remember the twist, the kit did come with a hammer but an original hammer will work or it can be modified by adding a cupped area for the percussion cap which I believe is what came in the kit, just a modified original, I had one that is long gone now but it was pretty unique in my opinion, I think there’s some old literature floating around out there somewhere, maybe an old catalog possibly.

 

[cebusey]

I also believe that an original hammer from a percussion 1863 will work as early 1873 Trapdoors used a lot of scavenged parts.

 

[sportster73hp]

I purchased one of these as a completed rifle .previous owner was a competitive shooter. There was also a complete kit available at the Log Cabin event last fall.
Mine has what appears to be an original patent breach blended to barrel contour .

 

[rickystl]

I remember when these barrels first came out from Numrich. I was in my early teens. As stated above, the barrels were a drop-in conversion to percussion. They came with an original surplus 1863 (?) style hammer. A friend of mine owned one. What was nice was the gun could be re-converted back to trapdoor. Back and forth using a screwdriver. Pretty slick. Guess these barrels would be considered fairly rare today.

What would be super rare would be to locate an original Remington Rolling Block that was converted to percussion. Back in the early-mid 1960's Viking Arms acquired a very large lot of rolling block rifles. Most were original .43 Egyptian in fair condition. For additional cost they would remove the firing pin from the breech block and thread in a percussion nipple. And drill a cut out in the face of the hammer. You could load the gun from the muzzle or the breech. I ran into only one of these in the early 1980's in Colorado. I was able to ID it for a dealer. That was another gun I didn't buy, but should have. LOL

 

[Loyalist Dave]

they made these to convert a trapdoor to m/l. they were 45 cal.

Yeah, I saw a couple of these back some years. ACW reenactors were using them. No Idea how well they shot.

LD

 

[deerstalkert]

If my trapdoor wasn't in 95+ condition i would be all over this. My young friend that found my 1884 has an 1889 that is pretty rough. I will talk to him. building him a fowler right now and he loves options.
Haven't seen one of these in years.

 

[Kcharles]

Thank you all for the information, very well received. Happy New year to all.

 

[cebusey]

Yeah, I saw a couple of these back some years. ACW reenactors were using them. No Idea how well they shot.

LD

They had a problem of gas leakage back to the shooter from what I have heard. I have one I would love to convert to percussion but have too many irons in the fire so I will likely pass this one on at some point.

 

[cebusey]

To be clear the gas leakage applied only to the rolling block conversions. The trapdoors worked well.

 

[Kcharles]

back up 200.00 delivered Continental 48.

 

[Gorloff]

I had one of those barrels. My mom bought an 1879 Trapdoor rifle for me at Cash Box Pawn Shop, Tucson, Az back in 1971 for my 14th birthday. It was like new, and had Bayonet, scabbard, Steel pistol grip, and an a beautiful original black leather sling. There were 2 pawn shops side by side just outside of the main gate of Davis Monthan AFB on Wilmot Avenue. The other was the Gold Spot Pawn Shop. I was always in there looking at the guns the Airmen pawned off and never came back for. Anyway The muzzleloader conversion barrel was unmarked, and came with an original 1863 case hardened hammer. I shot it quite a bit after I bought a Lyman .45 cal Mini ball mould. In my Senior Year at Palo Verde High School The machine Shop Instructor Mr James Bishop let me convert that muzzleloader barrel into a Trapdoor for a super chance at an A+ for the year. He also wanted me to duplicate, all the other parts needed to build a complete gun. except the breech block, receiver and hammer, which I ordered from DGW. The Wood Shop Instructor let me make the full length stock in his class. I had to use maple lol. Anyway I got my A+'s The bore was better suited for .451 / .452 bullets and the twist was 1 in 66" Man could that thing make those light bullets fly like an express, and it was accurate. Different days back then. We even had a school gun club.

 

[Sniperdoc]

I had one of those barrels. My mom bought an 1879 Trapdoor rifle for me at Cash Box Pawn Shop, Tucson, Az back in 1971 for my 14th birthday. It was like new, and had Bayonet, scabbard, Steel pistol grip, and an a beautiful original black leather sling. There were 2 pawn shops side by side just outside of the main gate of Davis Monthan AFB on Wilmot Avenue. The other was the Gold Spot Pawn Shop. I was always in there looking at the guns the Airmen pawned off and never came back for. Anyway The muzzleloader conversion barrel was unmarked, and came with an original 1863 case hardened hammer. I shot it quite a bit after I bought a Lyman .45 cal Mini ball mould. In my Senior Year at Palo Verde High School The machine Shop Instructor Mr James Bishop let me convert that muzzleloader barrel into a Trapdoor for a super chance at an A+ for the year. He also wanted me to duplicate, all the other parts needed to build a complete gun. except the breech block, receiver and hammer, which I ordered from DGW. The Wood Shop Instructor let me make the full length stock in his class. I had to use maple lol. Anyway I got my A+'s The bore was better suited for .451 / .452 bullets and the twist was 1 in 66" Man could that thing make those light bullets fly like an express, and it was accurate. Different days back then. We even had a school gun club.

The good old days