This particular one is rather inconclusive. There were guns for the trade, trade muskets and trade guns intended for Indians.From Colonial Williamsburg web page .... The use of trade guns used by militia mentioned again ....weird
This particular one is rather inconclusive. There were guns for the trade, trade muskets and trade guns intended for Indians.From Colonial Williamsburg web page .... The use of trade guns used by militia mentioned again ....weird
This particular one is rather inconclusive. There were guns for the trade, trade muskets and trade guns intended for Indians.
LOL !! No matter ... I'm just having fun pointing out the obvious . I'm not trying to convince anyone . I answered the O.P.s original question a LONG time ago ...This particular one is rather inconclusive. There were guns for the trade, trade muskets and trade guns intended for Indians.
Northwest guns almost exclusively came over as full arms. They did import guns and parts for the trade. In fact there were very few restrictions on arms in the English colonies, either ownership or going into business to import them for trade.
The Royal Proclamation of 1763 was about Anglo-Americans settling in lands set up for Indians across the Appalachians. It was soundly ignored, and was one of the causes of the rebellion.
LOL !! No matter ... I'm just having fun pointing out the obvious . I'm not trying to convince anyone ...
Hard to support an argument when none of us were there.No dog in this fight, don't care for the looks, primitive serpentine side plate and big ugly trigger guard....
But here is my question, maybe it has been answered but here it is.
Where specifically is the "North West"?
And another one.
What differentiates a "North West" trade gun from a trade gun?
^Incorrect^Clarification of trade guns and Northwest guns were used randomly back then. Plus the term Muskets and fowlers.
^Incorrect^
A musket certainly is not a Fowler.
And “North West Trade Gun” is not a generic “Trade Gun”.
And when exactly is “back then”?
But then again, don’t let facts cloud up the discussion.![]()
No dog in this fight, don't care for the looks, primitive serpentine side plate and big ugly trigger guard....
But here is my question, maybe it has been answered but here it is.
Where specifically is the "North West"?
And another one.
What differentiates a "North West" trade gun from a trade gun?
as you can see in the map the Hudson cay company is pretty far in the northwest in comparison to the colonies. After 1763 the northwest was closer of course pretty far away.No dog in this fight, don't care for the looks, primitive serpentine side plate and big ugly trigger guard....
But here is my question, maybe it has been answered but here it is.
Where specifically is the "North West"?
And another one.
What differentiates a "North West" trade gun from a trade gun?
https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/proclamation-line-of-1763#:~:text=Decreed on October 7, 1763,the French and Indian War.
I see no mention of prohibited trade with Quebec. Nor is it mentioned on any other web source on the Proclamation.
Nor here;
https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/1763-proclamation-of#
They couldn’t drop off guns promised to trading posts. This discussion has 2 points of view among those posting. 1) “I have or love NWTGs and want to represent a white colonist and use one, and so I want some historical justification for that.” The same thing happens for fusils de chasse. In defense of this position, so many people have them, and so many suppliers make kits or complete guns, that most folks would assume they were widely used in the 13 colonies between the 1750s and the end of the Revolutionary War. So like Rod Stewart, they look for a reason to believe.FlinterNick we get your point. But like I said I'm no expert. But I'm wondering that if the ships going up, down the St. Lawrence river. Might have dropped off guns at the forts or ports along the way..?
Your map shows quite the possibility ? Being so many relic locks, serpentine side plates have been found ?
I'm just curious because I like the guns.
He may have known my ancestors the Lynn's (or Linn); Andrew and his sons Andrew, Jr. , William, and James. James died on the Ohio River in an ambush. Captain William was waylaid by Indians in Louisville after serving with Clark at the Illinois campaign. Andrew Sr. died in Kentucky. Capt Andrew Linn Jr.(my ancestor ) was called the packhorse general for his efforts on the Ohio campaigns .His rifle , along with everyone else's weapons , were used up a LONG time ago ....
I happen to own an original English fowler that is stocked with brass furniture that copies French trade gun styling.Cheap to import does not mean cheap to own. Most of the colonial population at the time was extremely poor and what were the best quality imports being sent to the colonies? Imported goods from England to the colonies were often the least quality. If you review the types of fowlers used by militia in museum specimens and in private collections (actual physical evidence) you’ll see that the overwhelming majority of them are made with older locks and inexpensive materials such as sheet steel, sheet brass and copper. Some specimens don’t even have butt plates.
Also, the Williamsburg Gunsmith in the time of colonial Williamsburg produced the best and were of the most expensive and highest quality, not all colonists lived in Williamsburg. Lastly the term English Fowler does not always indicate its imported from England, it is a design, a specific style and pattern.
Yes ....and the question was answered a LONG time ago .....however ....someone suggested , well stated as undeniable fact , that no trade gun was used in the colonies let along a N.W. trade gun ( which is a certain type of trade gun for you $!&@ folks ) . That is the reason for showing that trade guns , in general , were indeed collected and used even in the east . I certainly agree that a N.W. trade gun would be a rarity in Williamsburg( as stated at the beginning ) but in present day upstate NY or near Fort Pitt ....hardly a rarity .... Any way ....Let's beat this dead horse some more !! I LIKE IT !!! Giddy up m0+#@& f%#&@r !!Although interesting and certainly entertaining, this thread is going round in circles.
The question was specifically about NWTG’s, not “Trade Guns” in general.
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FlinterNick we get your point. But like I said I'm no expert. But I'm wondering that if the ships going up, down the St. Lawrence river. Might have dropped off guns at the forts or ports along the way..?
Your map shows quite the possibility ? Being so many relic locks, serpentine side plates have been found ?
I'm just curious because I like the guns.
This ^^^This discussion has 2 points of view among those posting. 1) “I have or love NWTGs and want to represent a white colonist and use one, and so I want some historical justification for that.” The same thing happens for fusils de chasse.
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