Old locks.

[Gordoncourtney]

I'd be interested to see a separate thread re: that process.

And I never have friends who find interesting stuff like this. Those locks would be great to repurpose.

Guess you are thinking Barrels. .622” smooth bore double
Hello the trick I did was to get the two tubes set up on a steel plate as I wanted, previously threaded at breach of course , then did a tiny tack weld both ends, now welded together I could move them to the stove (bit awkward tying them up with wire , you can see London firms doing that on utube ). I then soft soldered the barrels together along the length , next I got some 3/4” by 1/4 for the ribs , I chamfered two edges to fit the barrels nice , I clamped them in position and soldered them together. I did it all using two gas burners on stove. I did a bit at a time like 4”. Moving the barrel along the stove so each bit cooled before soldering the next bit. You got to get the right solder and flux , you need the old fashion electrical lead solder I used the stove as I could not get enough heat from my propane torch I needed a lot of heat. Ha ha. Took only a couple of hours and some burnt fingers. I was quite impressed with what I did, but it was really quite simple. Cartridge shotguns are silver soldered at the breach end. Then it’s all lined up and soft soldered, they use pine resin flakes for flux Can send some more photos Should have taken photographs but it was all quite simple to do. The tubes were just pipe Of course loved to have been in USA as I would have bought two green mountain barrels Iff rifled with green mountain barrels i would make it over and under , I pondered this, but could not work out how best to fit the locks The design is of a 12b/ .6” rifled cape rifle I have . I’ll do another

all great fun. Blue skys in uk nr London low sun and very cold. Not as cold as Tommy up in Maine I wish you well

 

[Robby]

Very cool Gordon!!!!! Both of them!!
Heres' a double rifle I made, .45 X .45, regulated for 50 yds on one barrel and 100 on the other.

Fun to make and a real learning experience Love the doubles.
Robby

 

[Gordoncourtney]

Very cool Gordon!!!!! Both of them!!
Heres' a double rifle I made, .45 X .45, regulated for 50 yds on one barrel and 100 on the other.
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Fun to make and a real learning experience Love the doubles.
Robby

Wow beautiful. I made mine on a couple of L&R locks I had I was struggling to get any decent walnut when I made mine , got to be walnut on a double . It was more of a quickly job as the wood I used was rubbish No maple around other than floor board rubbish in uk , made a couple of singles using Original Bess Locks got a few other doubles too ha ha Tommy up in Maine said I make ugly guns , I like working guns with big patch boxes My choice. You need maple for a beautiful slim gun. Ha ha

Great to chat. Gordon

 

[Rawhide67]

The OP should be writing down some of these ideas. We've built several guns in our heads already, be interesting to see what he can use them on.

 

[Brokennock]

Maybe use the left lock to make a left hand rifle. So many comments by lefties a our liking/wanting certain guns that get posted. Should be able to make enough on that to fund some really nice parts to make an extra nice right handed rifle after that.

 

[Gordoncourtney]

Really are beautiful locks which make ?

 

[Gordoncourtney]

I bought this LH lock on eBay USA a couple of years ago $60 unused and not the best of locks but sparks very well it’s got a very light main spring no roller on frizzen . No idea of make not L&R. Hope it’s not made in India. Ha ha not sure what to do with it yet
Enjoy from London Blue skys very cold

 

[M. De Land]

Guess you are thinking Barrels. .622” smooth bore double
Hello the trick I did was to get the two tubes set up on a steel plate as I wanted, previously threaded at breach of course , then did a tiny tack weld both ends, now welded together I could move them to the stove (bit awkward tying them up with wire , you can see London firms doing that on utube ). I then soft soldered the barrels together along the length , next I got some 3/4” by 1/4 for the ribs , I chamfered two edges to fit the barrels nice , I clamped them in position and soldered them together. I did it all using two gas burners on stove. I did a bit at a time like 4”. Moving the barrel along the stove so each bit cooled before soldering the next bit. You got to get the right solder and flux , you need the old fashion electrical lead solder I used the stove as I could not get enough heat from my propane torch I needed a lot of heat. Ha ha. Took only a couple of hours and some burnt fingers. I was quite impressed with what I did, but it was really quite simple. Cartridge shotguns are silver soldered at the breach end. Then it’s all lined up and soft soldered, they use pine resin flakes for flux Can send some more photos Should have taken photographs but it was all quite simple to do. The tubes were just pipe Of course loved to have been in USA as I would have bought two green mountain barrels Iff rifled with green mountain barrels i would make it over and under , I pondered this, but could not work out how best to fit the locks The design is of a 12b/ .6” rifled cape rifle I have . I’ll do another

all great fun. Blue skys in uk nr London low sun and very cold. Not as cold as Tommy up in Maine I wish you well

I'm, told the regulating of barrels with wedges before the soldering is the tricky part in double rifle making. Apparently this is done , the rifle test fired to regulation at usually 50 yards and then the ribs are sweated in place to cover the wedges. I watched a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng video series of a double rifle being made from scratch in I think a ten part series and my is it ever a looooooooooooooong process. It's no wonder quality doubles are so expensive ............................. their certainly worth it from what I saw of how they are made.

 

[Gordoncourtney]

Plenty on utube with Holland and Holland and Purdey clips on gun making. One takes you through reheating muzzles and inserting different wedges to get regulation My double 577-500 no2,still has the wedge protruding ????

 

[TarponStalker]

The OP should be writing down some of these ideas. We've built several guns in our heads already, be interesting to see what he can use them on.

I only wish I had the talent y’all have to even think about building a gun around these locks. I just picked them up today but haven’t had time to study them. I’ll try tomorrow.
the same friend also brought me a bunch of lead that was in the barn. I’ll take a picture of one lead I got. It’s round and has the name of some metal company stamped in it. No telling how old it is.
Thanks to all for the information

 

[TarponStalker]

The lead ingot is marked Evans Metal Company. Atlanta GA.

 

[Semisane]

Dang, now we will never know how they came to be separated from the gun. : (

Gun converted to percussion?

 

[TarponStalker]

St. Etienne - French.

Yes Rich. One is marked St Etienne. Oddly the other is marked Maguin??? I noticed it has a French amber flint in it. The leather is very old. I know it’s a bad photo I’ll try to get better light

 

[Gordoncourtney]

I'm, told the regulating of barrels with wedges before the soldering is the tricky part in double rifle making. Apparently this is done , the rifle test fired to regulation at usually 50 yards and then the ribs are sweated in place to cover the wedges. I watched a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnng video series of a double rifle being made from scratch in I think a ten part series and my is it ever a looooooooooooooong process. It's no wonder quality doubles are so expensive ............................. their certainly worth it from what I saw of how they are made.

No after the barrels are made with a standard wedge it is test fired. The ends of the tubes can then be reheated and a different wedge inserted to adjust thus moving the tubes apart or a clamp to bring them together , it does not take long to do , called regulating. It’s on one of the utube British gun making clips