OLD original barrels - what to build?

[Rudyard]

Below in fine higledey pigel dy order are Algerian Mookhalah Arab toe lock the lock off a blanket in 1980s
Shawnee State Forest NMLRA' Eastern' I made the battery & Chisled Bridle its stock discarded as 'rubbish' the rest got up years later . The Scots is' part on' but a big duck gun, The many banded barrel off a Moroccan Kabyle originally made from US Springfield rejects robbed of the breach ends & lock nothing came with the stock but the Belgium trade lock was evidently made to Yous up such guns so a useable rifle for nothing but my patience and pleasure of saveing the bits from obscurity .Note both tangs have what looks like 2525 its actually written backwards and means ' La Bess' viz ' No Evil ' the equivalent of our' its cool !' or at least my Moroccan helper when I worked on Gilbralter early 1965 told me .The' Crown VR 'is pure 'Tell a lie "as my friends' in Cawnpore put it politely . The Persian ? flint lock with a trigger guard was the lock & a fairly good rifled bore ex Major Corry,s gatherings . Whether the original makers would thank me ? No idea but I like to think so.
Muesing Rudyard

 

[Pukka Bundook]

None of my business, But l still think this spiralled barrel is too early for a miquelet lock.
Touch hole is on the top at presemt.
It'll take some serious altering.

All the best,
R.

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

None of my business, But l still think this spiralled barrel is too early for a miquelet lock. Touch hole is on the top at present. It'll take some serious altering.

You might have misinterpreted my posts ... as I am using the old octagonal swamped barrel for the Miquelet lock (Post #34 on Pg 2).

The twisted barrel will be an early Arquebus of some form, but I most welcome the best suggestions for this barrel, given that the touch hole is indeed right up on top.

 

[rickystl]

Rudyard: Great looking guns !!!! Really like the Algerian one. Interesting how they made their stocks only 2/3rd's or so the length to the muzzle. Also, their big locks were only about 2/3rd's inlet into the mortise. Super impressive guns - ALL.

Rick

 

[rickystl]

Dale: I still think that spiral barrel would look good on a Landsknecht style arquebus. The touch hole on top can always be plugged.

Rick

 

[Pukka Bundook]

Dale
Apologies, I got my wires crossed!

It would be fantastic to see a similar barrel stocked up in its original state. But apart from that its just a case of deciding how you think you will like it best!

 

[Rob M.]

Very cool thread ....very interesting . Ken Netting gave me an original Oct. to round 20 ga. , 36" barrel .... Let's see ....think Id like to make , uhmmm .....a N.W. trade gun !!! LOL !! ... Hopefully one day ... we'll see . Love to watch the builds of these two barrels in this thread Dale !!! Oh yeah !!

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

Re: Spiraled Barrel - "It would be fantastic to see a similar barrel stocked up in its original state."

Well, I finally got them in, about 5-months AFTER winning the bid from a Czery’s auction based in Italy … at the beginning of February! Shipping was as expen$ive as the bid price, even more so the added export fees, as they were exported as ‘complete guns’, just for being a 'tube' of metal, grrrrrrrrrr ...

Now I am not proclaiming that these indeed are Italian barrels merely by being auctioned from that Country, but I tell you ... I've yet to see any other original spiraled barrel BP arm anywhere with a touch hole on top, and a hooked breech arrangement.

I am traveling, so additional pictures will have to wait, but the octagonal swamped barrel has a traditional threaded breech plug, whilst the spiraled barrel breech plug appears to be forge welded.

The oct swamped barrel is on top, shown adjacent to your typical 27" long overall T/C Renegade 1" across-the-flats 56-cal smoothie barrel, just for perspective. I plan to make a Miquelet arm out of the oct barrel.

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

I still think that spiral barrel would look good on a Landsknecht style arquebus.

YOU nailed it …

I think I found one, or a stock shape to copy anyways (the one in color below), an original dated to 1520 by the late Michael ‘Matchlock’ Tromner, who spent the last 40+ years of his life documenting the early arms.

Although that one has no spiral/fluted barrel … look at the paintings!!! There’s a spiral/fluted one (circled) with no serpentine.

Hmmmmmm …

 

[rickystl]

 

[rickystl]

You could go with a straight stock and a snapping matchlock also.

 

[rickystl]

Dale: I REALLY like the looks of this Italian one !!!

 

[rickystl]

And here's the Link....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13500&highlight=matchlock+Landsknecht+arquebus

Rick

 

[BillinOregon]

Well, Dale, you are facing about the pleasantest dilemma known to any gun crank.