Olde Eynsford Black Powder

[Bassdog1]

I would be interested in those test results as well. I shoot Standard Goex, Goex Olde Eynsford and Swiss and the Olde E is much closer to Swiss than Standard Goex from what I have seen in my shooting. I am shooting my older powder first and seems like every time I run low on older Goex in the metal cans someone calls or shows up with some they want me to get rid of for them. I have loads for all three powders in my hunting guns and use a little less Olde E and Swiss in all of them compared to Standard Goex.

 

[Africa58double]

Toby at Travelers informed me of the Test in Texas and Indiana.
Considering how highly talked about he is here- I don’t doubt he is informed correctly about the testing that was done.
We spoke on the phone yesterday- he explained in detail the information and the test was done 2x. I’ll have to call him back and get the information and then post it here. Yet I do recall that the OE was on the bottom.

 

[Jim K]

I’ll try again and start lowering my charge to see how much less OE to get same poi as regular goex.

 

[White Oak]

I’ll try again and start lowering my charge to see how much less OE to get same poi as regular goex.

I have been shooting OE since Goex came out with it. I found about the same results as you as compared to Goex which I normally used. My poi did not change quite as much but I dropped 10 grains to return to the 0 point at 50 yards. While I have no chrono, this tells me that there must be an increase in velocity. I have been very happy with OE. Don't really know if it shoots that much cleaner but the fouling seems to be softer and cleaning is painless. The only down side I see is that it seems to produce less smoke.
Although I don't know Toby, I am very interested in the results of these tests. Really curious as to what the complaint was with this powder. I saw it as a premium powder close to Swiss at a lower price. Also an American made product which I try to support whenever I can. With the closing of Goex this is probably a moot point. I believe I have about 5# of OE and 2# of Goex laid back. This will more than get me through our rifle and ml deer seasons. Hopefully things have settled down by then.

Take care,
Ed

 

[Africa58double]

Regarding the OE vs other powders

Spoke to Toby at Travlers-
The independent test was done thru the N.M.R.A , lead by a man named Rick Rapovich.

The test had the same shooter,rifle,barrel swabbed, temperature and details all the same per Powder. Both in Texas and Indiana Results concluded the same.

Toby explained It was a private test- Yet thru the N.M.R.A I’m sure Rick Raspovich could be found and light shed on his test. Apparently Rick and Toby have discussed the finer details.

 

[sawyer04]

What was your internet source?

Go turkeys go, one bug, let's get it.

 

[megasupermagnum]

I've been waffling between standard red and Olde Enysford for a few years, mainly in Fg grain. Here is what I notice.

Grain size/shape appears the same for both
Velocity is slightly higher with OE with equal volumes; 5%-10% faster, nothing crazy. 10 extra grains of powder does the same thing.
Weight by volume is almost identical
Shotgun patterns are similar, those in the BPCR community seem to prefer OE

And the big one everyone keeps asking is fouling. If anything, OE is worse than Red. There's so many factors to this that it is hard to say with certainty, but it sure seems to me that OE fouling is much more dry and solid. It isn't that there is more of it, but it takes just a little more to clean out. By contrast, is seems to me that standard Red fouling remains soft and powdery, at least for a short while.

I've also shot a few pounds of FFg of both types and found the exact same observations. There really isn't a world of difference between them for muzzleloaders, unless maybe you were into really long range shooting. Being as Olde Eynsford is no longer in stock anywhere, in any granulation, and may possibly never be made again, there's not much choice.

BTW, Powder Inc. has standard Red Fg in stock. I just ordered 25 pounds, and it is sad to think that may be the last Goex I ever buy.

 

[DeadeyeChristasdad]

Just checked the site. Goex 1f is all that's left.

 

[Curley 50 cal]

OE was developed to challenge Swiss on the premium BP market. OE gives higher velocities than Goex but generally a little slower than Swiss. The question now is whether any Goex powders will manufactured now that the plant has closed. OE is by all rights a superior powder.

I always find your posts to contain valuable information

 

[Africa58double]

Just checked the site. Goex 1f is all that's left.

If I’m not mistaken- You can get 2f,3f,4f from 1f…….. if need. Correct me if I’m wrong. If I didn’t have any- I certainly would entertain that idea

 

[megasupermagnum]

Just checked the site. Goex 1f is all that's left.

That's what I said.

 

[megasupermagnum]

OE was developed to challenge Swiss on the premium BP market. OE gives higher velocities than Goex but generally a little slower than Swiss. The question now is whether any Goex powders will manufactured now that the plant has closed. OE is by all rights a superior powder.

I think people compare Goex to Swiss too closely. The problem I see is that the grades clearly aren't even remotely close to comparable. A Swiss Fg is about like a Goex FFFg in size. If you compare those two, I'd think the Goex would usually provide higher velocities. Not that long ago I tried both in my shotgun, and the Goex FFFg did provide a slightly higher velocity, but I recall about 1100 fps vs 1175 fps, not a monumental difference. I will say the Swiss Fg did provide far superior patterns in every load I ever tried than Goex FFFg, and about like Goex FFg. Swiss Fg does not pattern as tightly for me as Goex Fg or Olde Eynsford Fg for me though. The grains of Goex/OE Fg are twice, if not three times the size of Swiss Fg.

 

[Africa58double]

Glad to hear the Swiss is good stuff- I’m sure I’ll buy some eventually.

 

[Herb]

Olde Eynsford is a wonderful powder. I have used at least 15 pounds of it in 15 or 20 rifles, ,45. .50, .54 and .58 caliber, shooting over a chronograph and at targets. Here are few comparisons:

Here is a test of OE 1 1/2F and OE 2F in a .54 Bridger Hawken I built. 100 yards from benchrest. I did string cutting.

I shot first at the blank paper to see how well my sights were centered, then the next two targets. I can't call up the close ups of the targets, but the top group is 100 grains by weight-corrected measure of Olde Eynsford 1 1/2F. The fourth shot knicked the yarn and the 5th shot cut it. Average velocity was 1744 fps with 56 fps spread. The bottom target was 100 grains W/M of O.E. 2F, first shot cut the string. Average velocity was 1773 fps with 42 fps spread. There is not much difference between OE 2F and OE 1 1/2F, but I prefer the 1 1/2F.

Larry and I flew up to Evanston, WY in his Bonanza to buy powder from Craig Kirtland of Bear River Powder. We got mostly Olde Eynsford. The next day Goex announced they were ceasing production, and Larry phoned to order more O.E. powder. That fast, Bear River Powder was sold out of O.E. powder, before Goex. Mr. Kikland sold a lot of O.E., it is very popular with serious black powder shooters.

 

[William Lincoln]

Tests aside, OE is a great consistent powder. I just finished up
what I had of OE. I was told by people in the know that it was
the result of a different charcoal and a tweak in the nitrate.
It remains a great powder. Hopefully it will be back in
production soon at a fair price. By no stretch was it the
same as standard Goex. OE is a cut above, more power &
cleaner burn.

 

[Africa58double]

Not so sure about the power
Fps results showed less

Great powder, nun the less

Tests aside, OE is a great consistent powder. I just finished up
what I had of OE. I was told by people in the know that it was
the result of a different charcoal and a tweak in the nitrate.
It remains a great powder. Hopefully it will be back in
production soon at a fair price. By no stretch was it the
same as standard Goex. OE is a cut above, more power &
cleaner burn.

 

[Herb]

Not so sure about the power
Fps results showed less

Great powder, nun the less

Guess you didn't read my post above.

 

[Africa58double]

I did- Yet that’s only one test result, hence “Not so sure” as some other test I’ve seen show different. Some Roa test showing different fps not in favor of OE

No Offense
Excellent Powder and Your Post shows that.
I’m sure you have much more experience in this that i

 

[megasupermagnum]

Looks to me that Herb tested three rifles, and both 3f and 2f Goex and OE. That's more than one test. I also did the same thing, but with 2F and 1F, in a rifle and a shotgun. My results are the same as his.

As you can see, as far as speed goes, there's a slight edge to OE, but nothing to really write home about. The accuracy, patterns, and fouling are where they differ.

 

[Africa58double]

Yes I see that and agree