Original German Jäger?! Need Help!

[German Jäger]

This Rifle became i from an Old Man in my Town!
Looks like an original German Jäger with Percusion modify?who can Help?!

 

[SDSmlf]

First question, is it loaded?

 

[Rudyard]

Dear Jager The rifle is what it is a converted Jager rifle , what help do you think you need ? ,its original & putting it to flint isn't a reasonable option its against preservation . Have a new rifle made but preserve the original .
Rudyard

 

[German Jäger]

Ok i want to know what year it could be?! Caliber ist .67-.68 i think about restoration an turn back to flinterlock i have a davis jägerlock here. My friend ist a good woodworker he can reproduce the stock and an woodwork..the bore i can send to Suhl for overhauling ? What did you say? What is the worth?

 

[German Jäger]

Is this an civilian or military Rifle?!

 

[Artificer]

Looks to me like that lock plate was always percussion? I don't see where they filled in the frizzen spring hole in it for a conversion? If the rifle was originally flintlock, they did a heck of a lot of modifying it to turn it into percussion.

I very much agree with others, best to leave that rifle as is and build yourself a flintlock Jaeger as a copy of it.

It's a FINE rifle. Congratulations.


Gus

 

[German Jäger]

Ok But how old it could be i found nothing about manufacturer oder date only the number at the barrel! My friend is an gunsmith and we have the plant to rebarrel the Barrel in Suhl and my other friend the woodworker makes an exact copy of the stock in fine walnut than the german Jäger Flintlock became his Place an the Rigle became his second live as my hunting gun! I dont know how much it is worth so in this moment and how old it is?!

 

[hawkeye2]

It was always percussion in my opinion and it is far to valuable be rebuilt or modified. If you wish to make a duplicate of this rifle using all new wood, barrel and hardware that's fine and it would be OK to do it in flint too, just do not destroy the value and history of this one.

 

[German Jäger]

Ok , but what is the history of it and what Value did you think?

 

[rafterob]

In America, if this is original percussion and not attributed to a particular famous builder, it would be valued at about $1500 US.

 

[German Jäger]

Ok thats an answer i buy it yesterday for only 50€

 

[Grenadier1758]

@German Jäger, can we see the breech with the lock off? The percussion lock and drum (the nipple attachment to the barrel) are mid 1850's look. I can't tell if the breech and drum are integrated as a chambered breech or if the drum is threaded into the barrel to replace a flint touch hole. Details of the breech would help clear this detail.

The lack of any military markings indicates that this is a civilian gun. There should still be proof markings or other marks of origin on the barrel. I am not sure when Germany required proof testing. Maybe after Germany unified. Markings could perhaps be on the bottom of the barrel or inside the lock plate.

Without better proof of your Jäger's origins, I would be hesitant to place a value on this rifle. I think you have a good value for 50 euros. I also think it was always a percussion rifle. Converting it to flintlock would be making it something it never was. Making a flintlock version based on your rifle will result in a nice generic Jäger rifle.

 

[German Jäger]

The drum is screwed in the barrel no markings anywhere! The lock is not complete there are no spring inside an no drilling for springs so i think someone have start the converting to percussion and not have done so the barrel is nice swapped so i think ist older

 

[Grenadier1758]

@German Jäger, I think you are making the same conclusions that I am thinking about. The barrel may have been a flint lock barrel. The percussion lock fits in the lock mortise too perfectly to be a replacement for a flint lock unless the lock plate was made to fit the lock mortise and the internals were being built to make a complete percussion lock. Still, I think that this rifle, while being built from some flint lock parts (primarily the barrel), was always intended to be a percussion rifle.

Is the lock mortise inlet for springs and tumbler? There must be a sear lever and tumbler since there is a photo of the rifle with the hammer at full cock. I agree, the lock plate is not drilled for a main spring.

 

[German Jäger]

I send sone pictures later

 

[Artificer]

This Rifle became i from an Old Man in my Town!
Looks like an original German Jäger with Percusion modify?who can Help?!

I do think it would be nice to have the rest of the lock parts made and fitted, so the lock works correctly.

Then use the reproduction lock and other parts to build a matching flintlock Jaeger.

Gus

 

[German Jäger]

I think so the Barrel is shippend to Suhl for fully rework at .69 caliber , the lock was startet to work but it is percusion an not ready i take a Davis Käger Lock and an custom Jägerstock from walnut al the brassparts are the old an would be used i make the old lady nice and graceful again

 

[DuncNZ]

Ok , but what is the history of it and what Value did you think?

As to history , go and ask the old man who sold it to you , He may know . Find out where he got it and who from , only you can trace it's history. It is not a fancy Jager more of an every day hunting rifle . Check your local museums , they may have a rifle like your one and be able to tell you more .In some ways it is a pity you are using it as a parts gun , but rifles were restocked re bored etc back in its day and you will be able to use it . Good buy at 50 Euros ,

 

[German Jäger]

Thank you next week i became another jäger rifle with marker ame sheet in the patchbox

 

[JCKelly]

The book on jaeger rifles, and its translation, are:
Steinschloss-Jägerbűchsen, Erhard Wolf ©2006, hardcover, in case.
Flintlock Jaeger Rifles, Translated by ©2006 Spiral Bound

Please, please do not destroy this fine piece by turning it into percussion.