Out of State ML Shipping

[paco97]

Is it still legal to ship MLs out of state without an FFL?

I've noticed some custom gun makers are posting about the BATF new regs that are referring to locks. I haven't read up on this and am curious, as I need to ship a ML out of state.

 

[Russianblood]

Muzzleloaders are not considered firearms by the federal government. Some states place restrictions on shipping of them though. Check with the laws of the state you want to ship it to before doing so.

 

[Mad Professor]

How about taking the barrel off and shipping as parts?

 

[faw3]

It seems some state's have laws of their own, best you ck from your stat to one your shipping just to be safe. Fred :thumbsup:

 

[bioprof]

You can look in a Cabela's catalog or on their web site to see the list of states that have restrictions. Some of them have individual counties and cities with restrictions, so some dealers won't ship without a FFL permit to anyone in those states rather than trying to figure out all of the local laws.

There are only 5-6 states that have restrictions on shipping or receiving muzzleloaders. In most cases, it is the buyer who is in danger of a violation. Here are the one's listed by Cabelas:

HI, IL, MA, MI, NJ, and NY.

 

[roundball]

"...HI, IL, MA, MI, NJ, and NY..."

Interesting...not surprised at all about places like "government knows best" states like MA, NY, NJ...but really surprised to see Michigan listed...I thought hunting was practically a state industry up there

 

[gcebulka]

"...HI, IL, MA, MI, NJ, and NY..."

Interesting...not surprised at all about places like "government knows best" states like MA, NY, NJ...but really surprised to see Michigan listed...I thought hunting was practically a state industry up there

Doesn't Michigan has a law on the books that blinds hunters are allow to hunt alone and un-aided?

 

[gcebulka]

"...HI, IL, MA, MI, NJ, and NY..."

Interesting...not surprised at all about places like "government knows best" states like MA, NY, NJ...but really surprised to see Michigan listed...I thought hunting was practically a state industry up there

Doesn't Michigan has a law on the books that blinds hunters are allow to hunt alone and un-aided?

To answer my own question.... "Must be assisted by a sighted person.... Now what this has to do with not being able to ship an ML to the sate, I have no idea.... :hmm:

 

Cabela's only has it partly right about Michigan. The only restrictioin is on pistols with rifleing in the barrel, everything else is exempt, and O.K. to ship without restriction. The pistols have to be registered if they have rifleing, smooth bore pistols are ok. Cabela's and other big box stores just don't want to deal with it. That's why I don't do business with them. Yes, strange but true, there are no restrictions on visually impared hunters, and no special requirements.
Bill

 

[jmckenney]

From the MSP frequently asked questions website
2. I have a replica of an antique pistol. Is it necessary that this pistol be registered in Michigan? Is it necessary that I obtain a Michigan Concealed Pistols License?

No, antique pistols made before 1898 and replicas of antiques that use black powder, matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap or similar type of ignition system do not need to be registered. The pistol is still subject to all concealed pistol licensing laws.
Link

 

[walruskid1]

good idea to remove the stock if possible. gives ups 1 less thing to snap. :cursing:

 

[bezoar]

Well looking at the provided MSP link, you aparently dont even need to get a liscence to purchase a "curio/relic/ antique using non modern cartridges". And apparently you dont even need to get it registered as well.

And here in lies the problem. There are two ways to get a black powder handgun in michigan. you can try to get it mailorder, but the only seller online that has NON STAINLESS AND UNDER $400 revolvers is Cabelas.
And because of the various confusion on state gun laws, they want you to jump through lots of hoops that are not required by federal or state law.

That requires you to decide if you still want a bp revolver. If you still want that Colt Navy, you need to either buy it from a gun store, or from your neighbor.
Every gunstore i have talked to in the state of Michigan will NOT sell any HANDGUN, OF ANY TYPE to a person who does NOT HAVE A PISTOL PURCHASE PERMIT. That is because the state will take their legal right to sell handguns away if they sell a handgun without the purchase permit.

The other option to get a bp revolver would be to get it out of state. But then you run into a little problem told to me by both my local FFL Dealer and local state police post.
YOU MUST GET A SAFETY INSPECTION ON ANY HANDGUN IF YOU INTEND TO ACTUALLY LOAD AND FIRE IT
And I have also gotten this bit of information from my local ffl dealer, who is an old family friend. He deals for a local group of gentlmen who like bp pistols and can only offer this bit of information for me, and anyone in michigan:

Unless you want to have a lot of issues with the police, get yourself a purchase permit and come back and see me.

Thats the best You can do in Michigan, other states I have no experience with. And yes, I still havent gotten my colt navy yet, even though I am almost 24 years old.

YOu can legally get that flintlock pistol from Middlesex or Heritage, You merely need to have a safety inspection before you can legally shoot it. Failure to get that inspection was only a 50 dollar fine per offense, but they never specified if each shot was an offence, or just your whole day of shooting off a 50 count box of bullets.

so beware.

 

[Russianblood]

I bought my Lyman Great Plains Pistol from MidwayUSA and they had no trouble shipping it to me here in MI. I have no idea what Cabela's problem is.

 

[shmrck1]

Russianblood,
I have purchased 3 percussion
rifles from Cabela's and all three were
delivered to my front door via UPS. No added
cost other than their standard shipping fees.
However when I tried to ship a Lyman's GPR
F/L to a buyer, UPS refused to let me do so,
even though it would have been shipped to an
address inside my home state of Ohio. I'm
as confused as anybody as what is allowed and
what is not
snake-eyes :hmm:

 

[2172]

when I lived in NJ, and they required a pistol purchase permit for percussion revolvers, the solution that most used was to drive to Pennsylvania and buy what was wanted...I suppose it depends on how far you are from the boundary of a sensible state..Hank

 

[Russianblood]

Russianblood,
However when I tried to ship a Lyman's GPR
F/L to a buyer, UPS refused to let me do so,
even though it would have been shipped to an
address inside my home state of Ohio. I'm
as confused as anybody as what is allowed and
what is not
snake-eyes :hmm:

The UPS Store and Mailbox, etc are not true UPS hubs and most are not allowed to ship pistols of any kind. It doesn't mean they are illegal to ship, just that they can't ship it. If you would have gone to a true UPS hub, they would have shipped it no problem.

 

[faw3]

This was run by a month or so back and someone posted the law and UPS I had never had a problem getting or shipping bp guns but a new boss came in and tryed to change it all to I had to take " a " part off" showed him his own site on his pc in store a UPS Store and Mailbox, and no problems after that. Fred :hatsoff:

 

[shmrck1]

Russianblood,
Thanks for that info. I will try
direct dealings with UPS in the future.
snake-eyes :hatsoff:

 

[dlemaster]

Snake-eyes
I've shipped several directly from the hub over on Trabue Rd in Hilliard.

Regards, Dave

 

[Wes/Tex]

Direct contact with UPS is the best bet. Had some fun a year or so back when I sent a double flint shotgun to one of our posters in Canada. Everything went fine till it hit Canadian Customs where it sat for a week being inspected and checked every day for a while. Finally got on the horn and told them ship it or pay for it! They gave me the old deal about 'not our problem' and went on about how it was Canada's fault. I told them my uncle, the federal judge, told me they took it and it was their problem. next day it went to the feller I shipped it to.

Two things:
1) Wish I could have listened to that conversation.
2) Someday I just gotta get a living uncle!

If you really want to get them going, ask when the big change is going to take place. When you get the big, blank stare tell them you heard FedEx bought out UPS and is going to change the company name to FedUP! :blah: :rotf: :rotf: