Just curious I haven't seen any mention of paper cartridges? I like them for hunting, as I can get a faster second shot if needed. When we first tried them we used a fairly heavy art paper, a .585 ball and original Lehigh Valley lube. we consistently got 15 shots before we felt any resistance when loading. I could hold a 4 inch group, off the bench, at 50 yards. Has anyone else tried them? :idunno: :hmm:
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I use them for all the round ball shooting in my smoothbore(s). Hunting as well.
These are 16 bore (0.650" balls for a 0.662" bore) done in the English style (thread tied ball & opposite end folded).
Old onionskin typewriter paper and the ball end dipped in molten beeswax. 75 gr. FFg load.
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These are 16 bore (0.650" balls for a 0.662" bore) done in the English style (thread tied ball & opposite end folded).
Old onionskin typewriter paper and the ball end dipped in molten beeswax. 75 gr. FFg load.
Did you try the "search" feature here?
I have a 62 cal. smoothie.
I've made them for a smoothbore pistol. It's a bit tedious but I was using historically correct patterns.
I shot them in my bess,useing the paper as a patch they were very accurate, I could never shoot cloth patched balls very well out of it. shooting a 62 and 58 smoothebores now but havnt worked out a cartridge for them though I did shoot two of the 58 out of the 62 with good solid hits on clangers.
Go to your local Dollar Store or Dollar General, and get a hardback book with quality paper, and make your cartridges out of that. :wink:
I've been using them for a couple of decades now..., round balls from the Bess or the Artillery Carbine shoot much better. As for shotgunning, I prefer to have preloaded cartridges of powder, done with the book-paper, and forms a wad, followed by the shot loaded into a cartridge of newsprint. I don't open the shot cartridge, I just gently seat it on the wad. Works well on squirrel and pheasants.
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I've been using them for a couple of decades now..., round balls from the Bess or the Artillery Carbine shoot much better. As for shotgunning, I prefer to have preloaded cartridges of powder, done with the book-paper, and forms a wad, followed by the shot loaded into a cartridge of newsprint. I don't open the shot cartridge, I just gently seat it on the wad. Works well on squirrel and pheasants.
LD
Great info Guys
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I make them for my Bess, for which grocery sack paper works out perfectly. I don't even bother to lube them since only one or two will be needed. My powder of choice is Goex 1f. I just tear off the teat on the bottom, pour a little into the pan and the rest down the bore followed by the ball, paper and all. They shoot as well as balls with lubed fabric patches, so I've never bothered to try other combos.
One thing about them though. They taught me that 1f works just fine and dandy in the big ole pan on a Bess, and I've never used anything else since that day, even when working with a horn.
One thing about them though. They taught me that 1f works just fine and dandy in the big ole pan on a Bess, and I've never used anything else since that day, even when working with a horn.
I don’t shoot them very often, and then just for fun. I do like to make shot 2 piece cartridges for small game hunting.
I do wonder why there is not mention of them in non military use. America is famous for riflemen and most use was in a place accuracy counted more then speed. On the other hand fusils were popular across Canada, in French Louisiana and ofcouse all over Europe. Until colt pistols came out cartridges seem missing in civilian use.
You would think anyone who served in the militia would have seen the same thing we see, they work well,shoot good, can turn deer French at fifty yards. While we like to think about the frontier of the long hunters and mountain men, most hunter and frontiersmen slept under a roof and didn’t have to be out in the rain at that time. A bag of cartridges would be pretty safe out of doors.
I do wonder why there is not mention of them in non military use. America is famous for riflemen and most use was in a place accuracy counted more then speed. On the other hand fusils were popular across Canada, in French Louisiana and ofcouse all over Europe. Until colt pistols came out cartridges seem missing in civilian use.
You would think anyone who served in the militia would have seen the same thing we see, they work well,shoot good, can turn deer French at fifty yards. While we like to think about the frontier of the long hunters and mountain men, most hunter and frontiersmen slept under a roof and didn’t have to be out in the rain at that time. A bag of cartridges would be pretty safe out of doors.
I have never tried 1F for ball in my 20 ga. I have tried 1F in my shot loads and it tightened my pattern up at 25 yds. It penetrated a tuna can.
Found mine as accurate as PRB, too, from my pistol.
I think you answered your own question. :wink:
We have pretty limited translation of 18th century Spanish, French, Dutch, and Germanic sources. Bruce Burgoyne translated a bunch of "Hessian" diaries from the AWI, but civilian sources, or F&I War sources...., nope. We might find if we can ever get some translations done, a whole lot more information about what Average Joe did in the woods if and when we do.
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Cruzatte
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There's a PhD thesis waiting there for you, Dave.Loyalist Dave said:
AH but the cost and time of the education to learn either French or German, to the fluency needed to be able to read the hand-written journals/letters, in those languages..., would bankrupt me IF I was able to live long enough to complete the mastery of those languages. :wink: :haha:
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LD I have a hard enough time understanding the old English writings and words. I even had the beginnings of "phonex" taught in our public schools back in the late 50's and early 60's. Did not help.
Thanks to a very good 4th grade teacher I was introduced to books. It help me a lot and love reading to be a passion.
But the old writings are tough to understand and are close to a foreign language.
Thanks to a very good 4th grade teacher I was introduced to books. It help me a lot and love reading to be a passion.
But the old writings are tough to understand and are close to a foreign language.
You can do a buck n' ball but putting three buckshots above the ball and tying them off like in the OP.
“So many books so little time” or “we are due to die tomorrow but through books we live a thousand years”
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
It would seem cartridges would be easier to handle with cold, stiff fingers and hands in the long very cold winters in the northern US and Canada as well.
