Patched ball in a smoothbore?

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TLanoy

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Please be kind as I know nothing about smoothbores! :grin:

If a 28ga. = .54 caliber, and one was shooting a .54 PRB, what thickness of a patch do you use to keep it tight without the rifling?

Also, if one wanted to hunt birds, squirrels and rabbits, what type of shot for a .28ga.?

I am seriously thinking of a smoothbore for non deer season hunting. Thanks in advance. :thumbsup:
 
All muzzle loaders need to be shot with different ball/patch combos to determine which is best for your individual gun, rifle or smoothie. A .530 with lubed ticking for patching would be a good start.
Choice of shot is by the game you intend to shoot. Bore has little to do with shot size selection. What do you want to hunt?
My choice for those critters you mentioned would be 7 1/2 but, I'm sure, far more would go for #6 size.
 
Although rifles are usually loaded with a ball .010" smaller than the bore size and use the thickest patch (.015" or thicker) that allows easy loading but a snug fit of the prb, smoothbores do better with a .020" smaller ball and thinner patching. This is because there are no grooves to swallow the patching material. Smoothbore patching is usually not as tight as in rifles as this often gives better accuracy. Smoothbores also often shoot quite well with a bare ball.
 
A .530 with lubed patch to start but, what thickness do you recommend to start? 'Bout how far for PRB shot? I think I'd limit myself to 50 - 60 yards.
 
Thank you Hanshi. I was typing when you posted your response. :thumbsup:

Is there a fairly inexpensive smoothbore to start with for someone who has never shot one?
 
First of all, a 28 gauge has bore size of .550. I can cover all my shots at fifty yards with the palm of my hand using .526 ball with a .024 patch lightly lubed with bees wax and tallow mix for lube and 85 grains for 3Fg powder.
 
As previously covered it depends on each individual barrel. I'd be inclined to go .020 less than bore diameter for round ball and try .005, .010, .015 and .020 thick patches - all available pre cut commercially. My .54 Green Mountain rifle barrel works well with .530 rb and .015 spit patch. The Curly Gostomski .72 smoothbore NW barrel uses a .715 rb and .015 spit patch or .010 with lube. Does an equally good job at 25 yds on soda cans or whitetail bucks. I suspect it is larger than .72 caliber and slightly smaller than 12 gauge though it shoots good with 12 gauge cards and wads. I'd want a rear sight on it before round ball hunting at 50 yds or beyond. Exceptional musket and smooth rifle (not an oxymoron but an actual two sighted firearm)shooters do surprisingly well on targets at 100 yds. I'd try shooting other owner's smoothbores first to determine not only caliber but fit (length of pull, drop) before investing in a new or used shoulder arm. Pillow ticking available locally mikes out to .018 thickness after it's been washed of sizing and dried. The kind of lube you use on your patching material will be a factor, too. I think Thompson Center made some single barrel smoothbores and Dixie catalog markets some single shot Italian reproductions such as a Mortimer rifle/smoothbore (exchangeable barrels) by Pedersoli. New ones aren't cheap. Good luck in your hunt for a smoothbore. They're a blast to shoot (pun intended). For birds I'd recommend #7 and 1/2 size shot for doves and quail and #6 for pheasants, #4 for turkey and ducks. #6 is a good compromise where you might have rabbits, pheasants, grouse, chukar, pigeons, prairie chicken or quail afield.
 
Williamette;
Y r u looking at so small a smoothbore? Y not .62/20 ga.!?
 
Thank you for all the great info. I have been looking around the net for a fairly inexpensive smooth bore but, to no avail so far. Was on the auction site in hopes of coming a cross one of T/C's 56 smoothies but again, no luck. :shake:
 
A 28 guage will work but a 20 guage will be easier to find.

Although the larger bore guns do have more recoil, muzzleloading had the advantage of the shooter being able to load it with light loads that are easy to shoot.

Also, black powder burns more slowly than modern smokeless powders so rather than the sharp whack of a modern gun, the black powder muzzleloader will give more of a "hard push".

.600 diameter roundballs are available
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=2216
 
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I have never delt with the companies so make no recommendation here. Loyalyst arms ,middlesex village and discriminating general offer some of the least expensive smoothies today. I understand they re made in india and all seem to have fectures as to finish, type of wood, and how close the stock and barrel shape fits to the originals. Some have to have the touch hole drilled after you buy it. These guns are some of the least expensive running 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of more histoicly accurate guns. These new run in the $600 as opposed to $7-800 for the parts to make an HC gun.
Smooties can shoot real well with a patched ball like a rifle. However back in the day smoothy shooters seem to have used wads in there guns. A fiber wad like tow or hemp can give good accuracy out to 50 yards.
I think 'smooth rifle' shooters used patched balls but we have no record of these being shot. I often shoot a patch but also shoot wads and have been pleased with it. It aint a rifle but am comfortable hunting to 50 yards with it.
 
WillametteT said:
If a 28ga. = .54 caliber, and one was shooting a .54 PRB, what thickness of a patch do you use to keep it tight without the rifling?
One tip to remember about any smoothbore is to mic the actual bore diameter due to variances among manufacturers.
Fortunately both GM and Rice .54cal/28ga smoothbore barrels of mine all mic'd .540" on the nose.
My best accuracy has always come from using a .520" ball and .022-.024" patch...and the faster I drive them the more accurate they are.

From a seated hunting position / no rest, if you eliminate the odd ball up around 12 o'clock on this 3" sticker, my deer load gives a 2" group at 50yds.

 
I like no. 6 shot for squirrels and 7 1/2 for rabbits & birds, even 8's. Keep in mind that you are shooting from a cylinder bore gun. I believe it was mentioned earlier, a true 28 bore is .550 diameter, not much different than a .54 that some advertise as a 28. However that can make a big difference in ease of loading a patched ball. I had a 28 for a little while and ended up switching back to a 20 gauge. Oh yeah I used a .526 ball with .010 pillow ticking over 70 grains of 3f. I've found with 3f I can carry one horn & load and prime with the same powder. It's just one of those things that you have to play around with. As far as inexpensive goes well that's a pretty broad term. Spend enough to get a good barrel and quality lock.
 
I use #6 shot in my .54 just because it is what I can make myself instead of buying. As to PRBs, I have two molds that work for mine, a .527" Lee and .515 Lyman, and both are equally accurate, just with different patch thicknesses. I think this is a good choice if you want both deer and small game, but have always been told that the .62 gives you more options. I agree that it would with loose shot, but my main use is for PRB in places that a rifle isn't allowed, to the smoothrifle gets the nod there.
 
I want to again thank everyone for the great info and willingness to share with someone just learning! :hatsoff:

I think I'm going to save up for a T.O.W. Trade Rifle kit and if something comes along in the mean time, well, I'll just have to see. I am still pretty set on it being a 28ga/.54 though.
 
Just in case you didnt know, the TOW kits are not really kits. But more of an advanced assemblage of parts. they are def not a bolt together item like something from lyman.....they require a bit of skill and knowledge of gunsmithing....or a book like "the gunsmith of Grenville county" and the proper tools. Maybe you know how to build a BP gun.....i just didnt see it posted and thought Id throw it out there. quite a few people have bought TOW kits and got in over there heads. a lyman kit might take a good 20 hours to finish......a TOW would be closer to 100-120 hours to finish I think
 
You are correct in your assumption. I am definitely not a wood worker! I was figuring on having someone put it together for me once I saved up for the kit. Not really sure what I'm going to do yet. :idunno: T.O.W. does say that their Trade gun is their easiest kit to put together. Does that mean it still requires a lot of wood work and fitting?
 
there is a guy on gunsamerica who sells percussion 54 smoothbores made in spain. they are a plains style rifle. they go for under 250.
 
Yee Haa! I've found what I was looking for and it can be made to what I want! It's gonna be a 28ga/.54 w/36" bbl and half stocked with a percussion lock. Gotta start saving as I'm getting too excited already! :rotf:
 
I often use a 530 ball and 20 thousands deniem patch in my 28 gauge. For rabbits I use 7/8 ounce number six shot in a paper shot cartridge over two 1/4 inch leather wads and 55 grain FF.But all guns have their own favorite combination. :idunno: :idunno:
 
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