tom hargrove
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wonder how many of the PC purist dont use tp at an event or reach for non pc asprine after a night of drinking pc hooch. :hmm: :rotf: :rotf:
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PC first Aid kit
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I'm a PC kinda guy, and I try to stay within certain boundries. for me personally, water purification and first aid are two areas I "cheat" on.
and as for the TP element, well it's best some things are left unknown. . . unless someone's offering me a sandwich he just made :winking:
I'm a PC kinda guy, and I try to stay within certain boundries. for me personally, water purification and first aid are two areas I "cheat" on.
and as for the TP element, well it's best some things are left unknown. . . unless someone's offering me a sandwich he just made :winking:
Skagan said:
Some folks will never understand (or don't want to) that nobody is trying to do the impossible and "recreate" the 18th Century. My family's heath and well-being come before any hobby I may participate in.
What we are doing is "selectively" trying to experience "certain aspects" of history. Which aspects and to what degree we choose, is up to the individual. Some people will never understand this.
Because this comes up just about every week, I'm referring all PC inquires to previously written material.
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tom hargrove
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this statement was a cheap shot and i retract it. my appoligies to the forum :redface: :redface: :redface:two-bellys said:
Skagan said:
I'm the same way. But I tend to be anachronistic in some respects, such as I don't have 18th century feet, so I wear modern socks and use insoles inside my mocs. I always wash my hands before preparing or eating food (apparently that's STILL not common even in modern times!). I wear modern undies under my clothes, etc. I will cheat when it comes to comfort or safety, but I try to cover up my cheats as much as possible.
A good place to start would be to learn how to use plants and what not for medicine (boiling the inner bark of most trees makes a good tincture or paultice for cuts and burns, and sage is good for indigestion.) I usually just carry some bandages, gauze and tweezers. Everything else can be improvised or harvested just about anywhere. I'm not saying that mountain men where excelent field medics, but you gotta come to a point where safety is more important than pc.
Plink said:
I tend to agree and think this is good to point out to people who might mistakenly think that every reenactor is a purist or fanatic. :thumbsup:
This is a great discussion. Being PC means dying young of something infectious. it was not until into the 20th century that things like heart disease and cancer overtook things like food poisoning, skin infections like staph and tetanus, water borne illness and diarrhea, childbirth as the major causes of death. The great advances then were not modern medicine, they were public health. Public drinking water supplies and sewers and sanitation. Food safety laws, refrigeration, pastuerization, improved pressure canning, vaccinations as well as improved dental hygeine and on and on made enormous strides. "How to **** in the Woods" is a great book.
Most injures while modern trekking are superficial cuts and small burns that mostly require being cleaned which can be done with lots of flushing with clean water (any water clean enough to drink). THings like peroxides, iodine, alcohol, rum etc hurt the healthy tissue and should be avoided. Bandages can be clean linen, kept clean and dedicated for this, try not to use that pice of grubby patch material that you also used to take a pot off the fire.For the most parts, most ointments are worthless and actually slow healing. Pressure will stop most bleeding. If someone has a major injury, get real, stabilize them and get them to modern care. Wash your hands before handling food and after contributing to the ecology, both castile soaps and lye soaps are PC. Boil your drinking water (or if you want to cheat use a water filter) I used to carry a more elaborate kit of modern stuff in a PC container but now mostly just carry soap and some extra clean linen. If I bring any modern items, it things like benadryl for allergic rxns(if you know you have a severe allergy to something like beestings - take your danged epipen with you - hang the PC)sometimes some peptobismol for GI use(Bismuth compounds have beeen used for years and will treat upper as well as lower GI problems) but generally little else. I do use a bear oil/beeswax mix for lip balm and for chaffing as well as patch lube, geasing my gear and protecting my rifle. The other injuries tend to be sprains and rarely broken bones -- use your boy scout training and common sense. Got a serious injury, get them out or go for help, PC then means 21st century and all of it's advantages (We all went to the woods to get away from it's disadvantages).
Wow, wrote too much. Doc
Most injures while modern trekking are superficial cuts and small burns that mostly require being cleaned which can be done with lots of flushing with clean water (any water clean enough to drink). THings like peroxides, iodine, alcohol, rum etc hurt the healthy tissue and should be avoided. Bandages can be clean linen, kept clean and dedicated for this, try not to use that pice of grubby patch material that you also used to take a pot off the fire.For the most parts, most ointments are worthless and actually slow healing. Pressure will stop most bleeding. If someone has a major injury, get real, stabilize them and get them to modern care. Wash your hands before handling food and after contributing to the ecology, both castile soaps and lye soaps are PC. Boil your drinking water (or if you want to cheat use a water filter) I used to carry a more elaborate kit of modern stuff in a PC container but now mostly just carry soap and some extra clean linen. If I bring any modern items, it things like benadryl for allergic rxns(if you know you have a severe allergy to something like beestings - take your danged epipen with you - hang the PC)sometimes some peptobismol for GI use(Bismuth compounds have beeen used for years and will treat upper as well as lower GI problems) but generally little else. I do use a bear oil/beeswax mix for lip balm and for chaffing as well as patch lube, geasing my gear and protecting my rifle. The other injuries tend to be sprains and rarely broken bones -- use your boy scout training and common sense. Got a serious injury, get them out or go for help, PC then means 21st century and all of it's advantages (We all went to the woods to get away from it's disadvantages).
Wow, wrote too much. Doc
Wow is right doc, That was a most illuminating post. :hatsoff:
With a handle like "Doc" and this post, you sound like you've got a pretty good background in this subject; What's you credentials if you don't mind saying.
There's two components of my 1st aid kit I consider almost indespensible, and thats an ace bandage for sprains and butterfly strips for more serious incisions.
With a handle like "Doc" and this post, you sound like you've got a pretty good background in this subject; What's you credentials if you don't mind saying.
There's two components of my 1st aid kit I consider almost indespensible, and thats an ace bandage for sprains and butterfly strips for more serious incisions.
As Roy says, in real life I'm a MD, outside of Atlanta, mostly do geriatrics (Take care of old folks). I'm an old friend of Roy's dad Tom and Roy. He and I have taken the King's shilling and he uses the 1st Model that Mike Broooks made for me years ago when we put on our red coats. I have an interest in outdoor/backwoods medicine and wrote a column on it for Muzzleloading and Traditional Living Magazine (formerly Maine Muzzleloading) that is not longer published. When you're only going to be at in the woods for a few days, you don't need a lot of gear(of any kind) but the need for items for more extensive injuries goes up as the length of the trip and distance from modern help increases. Let's face it, most of our trips ain't real far from a road.
Another thing to consider....
How long did most of these mountainmen do their job (out in the wilderness) before retiring or DYING?
Wasn't HBC offering one year hitches?
And many of these men never made it back.
Being REALLY PC would limit your participation in this to 2-3 years max before "retiring or dying". :hmm:
Just an opinion.... :grin:
Legion
How long did most of these mountainmen do their job (out in the wilderness) before retiring or DYING?
Wasn't HBC offering one year hitches?
And many of these men never made it back.
Being REALLY PC would limit your participation in this to 2-3 years max before "retiring or dying". :hmm:
Just an opinion.... :grin:
Legion
The following link is to a list of historical medical info and medicines from the Northwest.
Medicine in the Northwest by J. Gottfred
Medicine in the Northwest by J. Gottfred
Had a friend remind me last weekend of something else I used to carry and still should for longer trips. Oil of cloves or even the crushed heads of cloves packed in a cracked or broken tooth can bring some incredible relief and would be PC.
Ever see the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks and him knock out his absessed tooth with the blade of that ice skate? Ouchhhhhhh!
Ever see the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks and him knock out his absessed tooth with the blade of that ice skate? Ouchhhhhhh!
