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I will give you the benefit of the doubt in you having fired a lot more cartridges than black powder.

The issues with BP revolvers are simply added possibles of failures. The first round may fire and the 2nd may have a Cap lock. The first one may have the powder too compressed and the 2nd one fires, followed by a Cap lock.

I have had a lot of failures with BP so far. I found I can reduce them. The only one I think of as mostly reliable is the ROA.

I have shot a lot of cartridges over the years. I never had a failure (my 45 Star P{D actually fired Glock 45 ACP though it would not cycle). I put a 223 through an AK47 once (well my brother did but I handed him the gun - heard the weird sound and stopped - no idea how I managed that).

I found I was better hunting with factory cartdige than reloads, never had one mis fire. I did have mistakes on the sizing on reloads and too much head space and it would not fire.

BP Revolvers are a coin flip as to them firing or not. In theory, if you developed a load and were anal about how deep you seated it and tested it well, you could have a degree of reliability.

Putting all cartilages into a failure of Super Vel, hmmnm. Why any department would use those is questionable in and of itself. Super Vel was some stuff so hot it pushed the edges and beyond of rationality. I never had any failures to fire or blow ups but it was not anything I would use other than playing with it on a range. And no, none of my guns blew up. That includes a 25 ACP made in 1911!

So, cool to carry is a contradiction of the purpose of an EDC. If its about image you got an issue. But then I was never one of the cool guys.
When I was a cop in Okla. in the 70's, Super Vel was the Gold Standard in police loads. Never cared for it myself, but many officers on my dept. swore by it, until guns started blowing up. And it wasn't because Super Vel was 'too hot.' It was a question of quality control. This came out in a court case when one cop lost half of his hand when his revolver 'literally' disintegrated in his hand from a load that was determined to be 5 times the maximum load for the .357 cartridge. A great deal of money changed hands that day.
 
What I find is ironic is that some the same posters that said a BP revolver is inappropriate or shouldn't be considered have said elsewhere that their revolver is "100% reliable", "goes bang every time", "after tuning I would trust it with my life", etc.

First, you have to get one that you can shoot extensively. Then, you can decide if it's reliable. I have some that are tuned and they will fire every time I want them to. I'd bet money on it. Next, you have to figure out if it and you are accurate. If you can't hit anything with it, well why carry it. You'll need a good holster or way to carry it concealed if that's what you want to do.

In some jurisdictions, you can carry a BP revolver in places where a "modern firearm" would be prohibited. I'm not trying to be a lawyer or pretending to be, but for example the School Zone. Some laws prohibit a firearm within so many feet of a school. Unless there is some exemption in law, those driving through the School Zone with a modern concealed pistol are breaking the law, but the guy with the BP revolver may not be. Some other places may prohibit "firearms" but the State statute exempts BP revolvers as they are "antique firearms". Maybe you can't afford a modern gun or don't have access to a store to buy ammo, etc. For some reason you have a BP revolver. Well, use it. Lots of reasons that are unique to an individual and circumstances.

I have two BP revolvers that I carry a lot. One is a 1858 style "Ace" or short barrel. The 127 grain balls are going 975 FPS average. That is as much or more than many modern cartridges. Another is a 1851 Navy with a 3" barrel. It's a little trimmer and lighter, but mine doesn't have "safety" notches between chambers, so I load it 5-shot. Lastly, the NAA Super Companion is just a .22, but knowing how to load it can push the 30 grain conical 600 FPS and (I know its not recommended) pretty close to 1000 FPS. That's a tiny 5-shot that you could stick in a shirt pocket.

I make it a point to go to the range about 4X per year. I will shoot some of the BP handguns each time, so that all of them are shot 2X per year. They are loaded otherwise. Some are in the house, one in the truck and some I carry. I have yet to have one not go off on a range trip or when I cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger.

I've not had to do this yet, but I know someone who does once in a while. If the gun is exposed to any moisture, weather related or some other incident, he pulls the caps and puts the cylinder in a food dehydrator overnight. Any moisture is gone, the powder is dry as can be. Make sure the temperature is low and use all due caution. I am not saying its a great idea, but it has been done and worked so just be careful if considering it. Put fresh caps back on it in the morning. I know he did this twice and we purposely went to the range within a few days afterward. The guns fired just fine.

There's a lot of folks saying there are better choices and I agree. Sometimes you don't have those choices. A new small car will get better gas mileage and save you money while being reliable. Your old carburated pickup is touchy and a gas hog but you own it and can't afford a new car so you make it work and keep going. Same premise. Don't carrry a BP handgun to be "cool" or make some kind of statement, and if you are truly exposed to danger don't take a chance you don't have to. But if you need to and work to be confident in reliability and accuracy, go ahead.

I will take my handgun that's been loaded for 6 months or longer, dunk it in this 5-gallon bucket of water for a second and shoot at whomever volunteers to stand down range. Nobody will volunteer........
 
It is easy to ignore the fact that variants of many of the revolvers discussed actually were EDC guns. A quick search will show which were most widely sold to civilians and how they were modified for sale/use. Easier to do that research than read through the don't do it, shouldn't do it, dumb idea, buy a different type of gun, can't because you are a felon, comments to find the 2 or 3 posts that actually offer good info and answer your questions.
 
I don't every day carry, but often like to carry a sidearm for plinking fun mostly when out fishing or hunting in the hills. Regardless of the pistol or revolver I choose for the day, I like the western style holsters to hold the hammer down on a stop pin, or at half ****.

The "sheriff" models are fun with the 5" or 5 1/2" barrel lengths.

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For self defense close range and handling...
Perhaps a .36 caliber reproduction 1851 reamed out to the largest permissable diameter (getting close to .41 or .42) would serve. Rifling wouldn't be needed.
Besides, I could load it with #8's when I wanted to.:thumb:
 
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If you are just carrying for the WOW factor a 50 cal Desert eagle will trump most revolvers.
 
My goodness!!
What makes me think if someone asked about an everyday motorcycle, almost every post would be about how much safer and reliable an SUV would be?

What's wrong with just answering the question?
Agreed. Some folks sure got wound up about this. I certainly would not feel unarmed carrying a bp revolver. Is it optimal? Probably not, But I can think of a few situations where the bp gun has its advantages. I wouldn't walk into a Chicago firefight: period! Well, maybe if I had my old M---. There are replicas of smaller bp revolvers that were designed to be carried in loose fitting (old school) jacket pockets. These revolvers were extremely popular for self defense, for many years.
It is not necessary to fire off the gun at the end of each day! If the chambers are kept free of moisture, there is no telling how long the powder will be viable. That said, it surely won't hurt to shoot the pistol now and then: for practice if nothing else. The age of "spray, and pray" has has supplanted aimed-fire, but that is not all to the good. Now, lets hear from all the Dead Eye experts out there...
 
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Y'all are overlooking one of the great tactical advantages of a black powder revolver. After the first couple of shots, you have created an impenetrable smoke screen that renders you nearly invisible to your attacker. 😄
Yes, smoke screen. I can run faster scared than you can run angry. Heard that somewhere.
 
My EDC. Umarex Colt Defender. 16 shots of man-stopping power to the face in 5 seconds. When some perp is staring down that .177 bore of death they suddenly get a come to Jesus moment and rethink their intentions. Like being attacked by hornets.
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The age of "spray, and pray" has supplanted aimed-fire, but that is not all to the good. Now, lets hear from all the Dead Eye experts out there...
Reminds me a story. My dad was front line Korea. I asked him if he was a good shot. He said in 3 years his M1 Carbine never came off full auto. He said “aiming is for Hollywood”. You sprayed and slapped in another magazine.
Got the Bronze Star with the V. You vets would know what that is.
 
What I find is ironic is that some the same posters that said a BP revolver is inappropriate or shouldn't be considered have said elsewhere that their revolver is "100% reliable", "goes bang every time", "after tuning I would trust it with my life", etc.

First, you have to get one that you can shoot extensively. Then, you can decide if it's reliable. I have some that are tuned and they will fire every time I want them to. I'd bet money on it. Next, you have to figure out if it and you are accurate. If you can't hit anything with it, well why carry it. You'll need a good holster or way to carry it concealed if that's what you want to do.

In some jurisdictions, you can carry a BP revolver in places where a "modern firearm" would be prohibited. I'm not trying to be a lawyer or pretending to be, but for example the School Zone. Some laws prohibit a firearm within so many feet of a school. Unless there is some exemption in law, those driving through the School Zone with a modern concealed pistol are breaking the law, but the guy with the BP revolver may not be. Some other places may prohibit "firearms" but the State statute exempts BP revolvers as they are "antique firearms". Maybe you can't afford a modern gun or don't have access to a store to buy ammo, etc. For some reason you have a BP revolver. Well, use it. Lots of reasons that are unique to an individual and circumstances.

I have two BP revolvers that I carry a lot. One is a 1858 style "Ace" or short barrel. The 127 grain balls are going 975 FPS average. That is as much or more than many modern cartridges. Another is a 1851 Navy with a 3" barrel. It's a little trimmer and lighter, but mine doesn't have "safety" notches between chambers, so I load it 5-shot. Lastly, the NAA Super Companion is just a .22, but knowing how to load it can push the 30 grain conical 600 FPS and (I know its not recommended) pretty close to 1000 FPS. That's a tiny 5-shot that you could stick in a shirt pocket.

I make it a point to go to the range about 4X per year. I will shoot some of the BP handguns each time, so that all of them are shot 2X per year. They are loaded otherwise. Some are in the house, one in the truck and some I carry. I have yet to have one not go off on a range trip or when I cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger.

I've not had to do this yet, but I know someone who does once in a while. If the gun is exposed to any moisture, weather related or some other incident, he pulls the caps and puts the cylinder in a food dehydrator overnight. Any moisture is gone, the powder is dry as can be. Make sure the temperature is low and use all due caution. I am not saying its a great idea, but it has been done and worked so just be careful if considering it. Put fresh caps back on it in the morning. I know he did this twice and we purposely went to the range within a few days afterward. The guns fired just fine.

There's a lot of folks saying there are better choices and I agree. Sometimes you don't have those choices. A new small car will get better gas mileage and save you money while being reliable. Your old carburated pickup is touchy and a gas hog but you own it and can't afford a new car so you make it work and keep going. Same premise. Don't carrry a BP handgun to be "cool" or make some kind of statement, and if you are truly exposed to danger don't take a chance you don't have to. But if you need to and work to be confident in reliability and accuracy, go ahead.

I will take my handgun that's been loaded for 6 months or longer, dunk it in this 5-gallon bucket of water for a second and shoot at whomever volunteers to stand down range. Nobody will volunteer........
I agree with you on every single point except one. My North American arms super companion will go click instead of bang easily half the time regardless of the brand of caps I have tried and how hard I seat them on the nipples. I hear I'm not the only one with that problem.


I am pretty good with throwing rocks with a David sling and you're talking 2 to 4 oz Rock at 100 mph. My good friend told me that he would rather me shoot at him with the super companion then throw a rock at him. Lol

If I ever had to pull that on someone I could imagine them laughing and I would tell them....." This ain't nothing to laugh at buddy there's a serious chance this thing could go off" !

But as far as any properly loaded cap and ball 44 or 36 caliber and even the 31s? ........ When properly loaded I have every confidence they will go off.

I have kept one loaded as long as 6 months and it went bang exactly like it should. I also noticed zero corrosion issues but of course this is loading a clean gun.

I have heard of old timers putting a dollop of candle wax around the nipples to seal that end. I have also heard a little bit of clear nail polish can serve that purpose as well
 
Not me. I am a big boy and carry concealed. Most people just leave me alone.
My father has a saying that has always served me well, probably even better than a gun I might argue...." Don't start no sh*t and there won't be none ".
A bit of mutual courtesy goes a long way in society.

But I am in no way shape or form disowning the value of a gun either
 
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