Powder Horn

[Jappo]

On these powder horns, how were they used? Did they just take the plug off and poured. I would guess if you used it a lot you more or less would know what you were doing. Or did they take the time to pour into a measure?
I have this and its been tapped for a push button spout.

 

[Jappo]

This one
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/horn-powder-flask.186386/

 

[Rancocas]

Always. Always pour the powder into a measure before pouring it down the bore.
One old trick I heard about was to hold a round ball in the palm of your hand and pour just enough powder to cover it. Then put that down the bore.
I suppose in the heat of a battle with Comanches a man would probably pour directly from his horn, but that could result in overloads or squib loads.
During the American War Between the States rifled muskets were picked up off the battlefields. Some of them were found to be loaded with multiple loads one on top of another. Apparently, the excited soldier would load, aim/point and jerk the trigger, but without putting on a percussion cap. In the heat and noise of battle he didn't realize that his weapon didn't fire, so thinking that it did, he loaded again. Some of those picked up muskets were fully loaded breech to muzzle! Imagine what would happen if the guy did remember and cap his gun for the next shot.
Always use a powder measure! Unless, of course, you are using paper cartridges.

 

[Jappo]

Always. Always pour the powder into a measure before pouring it down the bore.
One old trick I heard about was to hold a round ball in the palm of your hand and pour just enough powder to cover it. Then put that down the bore.
I suppose in the heat of a battle with Comanches a man would probably pour directly from his horn, but that could result in overloads or squib loads.
During the American War Between the States rifled muskets were picked up off the battlefields. Some of them were found to be loaded with multiple loads one on top of another. Apparently, the excited soldier would load, aim/point and jerk the trigger, but without putting on a percussion cap. In the heat and noise of battle he didn't realize that his weapon didn't fire, so thinking that it did, he loaded again. Some of those picked up muskets were fully loaded breech to muzzle! Imagine what would happen if the guy did remember and cap his gun for the next shot.
Always use a powder measure! Unless, of course, you are using paper cartridges.

I can understand that, but say everyday use, they carry a measure with them?. I know Hollywood they just take of the plug and pour. No telling where they got that from.

 

[Grenadier1758]

Use the measure. Those little stoppered tubes were used. The literature will identify the measures as a charger. The everyday use of a rifle for consistent accuracy required a consistent charge of powder and that means a measure was used. And, yes, as @Rancocas is correct, one form of measure of a charge was to place a round ball in the palm of your hand and just cover the ball with powder. That does work to about a +/- difference of 5 grains for 50 cal and larger balls. Best demonstration I saw was when Clair Trevor loaded a rifle in the movie "Allegheny Uprising".

 

[Rancocas]

I can understand that, but say everyday use, they carry a measure with them?. I know Hollywood they just take of the plug and pour. No telling where they got that from.

Of course, they carry a measure/charger everywhere they take their gun. The little thing weighs practically nothing. Some guys keep a measure in their shot pouch. I prefer to tie my measure to the buckle on the strap of my shot pouch. That way I always know where it is, and it is ready for use at all times. It hangs down on my chest when the bag is hanging over my shoulder. To keep it from flapping around, I tuck the measure into my shirt.
Forget about anything you see in the movies! They are generally fantasy.

I have a couple of the commercially made brass powder measures, but it is not difficult to make your own from a section of antler, bone, river cane, a piece of wooden broom handle, etc. Right now, I use one that I made from the femur bone of a deer. Inside my pouch I keep a spare that I made from an antler.

To make one you probably will need to start with an accurate way to measure your preferred powder charge. You can use a commercially made measure, or a powder scale. Then take your antler tine, bone, or whatever you want to use to make your measure, and drill down to hollow it out. 3/8" or 1/2" drill bit works for me. Pour your measured powder charge in the hole and mark where it tops. Pour out the powder, and then cut off the measure at that spot. If you want to make a little pour spout, then cut the measure off a little above the powder line and carve it to your satisfaction. On the other end, the solid end, I drill a 1/8" or 3/16" hole through it from side to side. That is for running a throng, or cord through to tie it to my shot pouch. Nothing to it.

Re-enacting, also sometimes called experimental archeology, is going out and actually using the implements, equipment, and known methods of those pioneer people who came before us. When you use these things in real outdoors settings you soon learn what really works and what doesn't.
For instance, a shot bag hanging low on your hip becomes quite a nuisance when you're crawling through the underbrush or running for your life away from some danger. Thus, people learned to keep it short, so it can be clamped against your body with your elbow and won't swing or flap around with every move you make.

 

[Jappo]

Of course, they carry a measure/charger everywhere they take their gun. The little thing weighs practically nothing. Some guys keep a measure in their shot pouch. I prefer to tie my measure to the buckle on the strap of my shot pouch. That way I always know where it is, and it is ready for use at all times. It hangs down on my chest when the bag is hanging over my shoulder. To keep it from flapping around, I tuck the measure into my shirt.
Forget about anything you see in the movies! They are generally fantasy.

I have a couple of the commercially made brass powder measures, but it is not difficult to make your own from a section of antler, bone, river cane, a piece of wooden broom handle, etc. Right now, I use one that I made from the femur bone of a deer. Inside my pouch I keep a spare that I made from an antler.

To make one you probably will need to start with an accurate way to measure your preferred powder charge. You can use a commercially made measure, or a powder scale. Then take your antler tine, bone, or whatever you want to use to make your measure, and drill down to hollow it out. 3/8" or 1/2" drill bit works for me. Pour your measured powder charge in the hole and mark where it tops. Pour out the powder, and then cut off the measure at that spot. If you want to make a little pour spout, then cut the measure off a little above the powder line and carve it to your satisfaction. On the other end, the solid end, I drill a 1/8" or 3/16" hole through it from side to side. That is for running a throng, or cord through to tie it to my shot pouch. Nothing to it.

Re-enacting, also sometimes called experimental archeology, is going out and actually using the implements, equipment, and known methods of those pioneer people who came before us. When you use these things in real outdoors settings you soon learn what really works and what doesn't.
For instance, a shot bag hanging low on your hip becomes quite a nuisance when you're crawling through the underbrush or running for your life away from some danger. Thus, people learned to keep it short, so it can be clamped against your body with your elbow and won't swing or flap around with every move you make.

Very interesting. Thanks for that.

 

[nchawkeye]

Measure, ball block, horn and pouch.

I attach my ball block and measure on a leather thong that is attached to my strap, they go in my shot pouch for easy access.