"Primitive Weapons" v. Firearms Hunts

[Palustris]

Howdy, y'all! Can anyone provide the rationale(s) as to why many state hunting regs allow BP weapons to be used only during primitive weapons seasons? I assume I understand why modern firearms are prohibited during scheduled PW hunts (safety), but I don't understand the reasons for disallowing BP weapons during the regular firearms season. Seems to me that, for those eccentric enough to hunt with BP (especially flintlocks), permitting them to try their luck throughout the regular firearms season could only fill their state's coffers, without seriously threatening the deer population. Please help me understand what I'm missing here.

Many thanx, Walt

 

[biliff]

Most states that I'm aware of allow the use of muzzleloading guns during regular gun seasons. Which ones don't???

 

[laufer]

good one walt.
you probably have not heard of the upcoming ban on the muzzleloading inlines, aka romantic kind of the modern long range weaponry, which will move the above noted eccentrics into the centrics category and provide more funds into the budget of the state's socialistic ecological wildlife funds to prevent more gun ownership and upset all those free women in charge of your wallets. anyway, have fun for a day or two, do not smoke near your pyrodex pellets, use as much as you can of saboted hornady bulets and don't drink and drive you you don;t have to. they are coming, eccentrics, i'm telling ya. i hope this helps with your question.

 

good one walt.
you probably have not heard of the upcoming ban on the muzzleloading inlines, aka romantic kind of the modern long range weaponry, which will move the above noted eccentrics into the centrics category and provide more funds into the budget of the state's socialistic ecological wildlife funds to prevent more gun ownership and upset all those free women in charge of your wallets. anyway, have fun for a day or two, do not smoke near your pyrodex pellets, use as much as you can of saboted hornady bulets and don't drink and drive you you don;t have to. they are coming, eccentrics, i'm telling ya. i hope this helps with your question.

What is this nonsensical, political rambling supposed to mean and how does it help answer the question?

Anyway, what states don't allow muzzleloaders in their regular season?

 

[bigbore442001]

Connecticut comes first to my mind. I hunt Connecticut and had asked a game warden about using a muzzleloader during the regular firearms season. He said that it would be illegal. Muzzleloaders are for muzzleloading season. He also commented that he has confiscated a few muzzleloaders from hunters who have used them in the regular firearm deer season.

I suspect the real reason is that you have to buy a separate muzzleloader season tag. For non -residents you need to buy a $67.00 hunting license and then the firearm deer tags are another $50.00. So if you want to hunt the December muzzleloader season, you need to shell out another $50.00

The only way you can use a muzzleloader during the regular firearm season is if you are a landowner and hunting your own land.

 

[PreglerD]

In Germany you are allowed to use both ML and modern firerms through the whole hunting season. And the season here is very long.

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Rancocas]

Here in Tennessee we have to purchase a muzzleloader tag and/or a regular firearms tag. If you have the muzzleloader tag you CAN hunt with your muzzleloader during any of the open firearms seasons.
Since I hunt almost exclusively with a muzzleloader, I save money by not buying a regular firearm tag.
However, the TN "Sportsman's License" is all inclusive and by buying this option you get tags for everything from trapping, archery, muzzleloading, regular firearms, and fishing. This year I chose this option. I saved a few bucks over purchasing all the different tags separately.

 

[laufer]

Seems to me that, for those eccentric enough to hunt with BP (especially flintlocks), permitting them to try their luck throughout the regular firearms season could only fill their state's coffers, without seriously threatening the deer population. Please help me understand what I'm missing here.

What is this nonsensical, political rambling supposed to mean and how does it help answer the question?

i was wondering the same, but if you fit in a eccentric category you should understand. if not, stay cool and do not mumble much.

Anyway, what states don't allow muzzleloaders in their regular season?

in colorado you can hunt with any legal weapon in rifle seasons, including eccentric flintlocks and other eccentric means of killing innocent eccentric animals.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

in colorado you can hunt with any legal weapon in rifle seasons, including eccentric flintlocks and other eccentric means of killing innocent eccentric animals.

I think old walt may be bit confused as to how damn good of a hunter we eccentricts are.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Howdy, y'all! Can anyone provide the rationale(s) as to why many state hunting regs allow BP weapons to be used only during primitive weapons seasons? I assume I understand why modern firearms are prohibited during scheduled PW hunts (safety), but I don't understand the reasons for disallowing BP weapons during the regular firearms season. Seems to me that, for those eccentric enough to hunt with BP (especially flintlocks), permitting them to try their luck throughout the regular firearms season could only fill their state's coffers, without seriously threatening the deer population. Please help me understand what I'm missing here.

Many thanx, Walt

Quick get the DECON we done found us a mole
:bull:

 

[Goldhunter]

In Utah the "rifle" hunt is offically called the General Season. You can use any legal firearm/weapon, even archery tackle, as defined by the Utah DWR. I've taken the ML out during the rifle before. But 99% probably use a centerfire.

I usually stick to the primitive hunts.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

good one walt.
you probably have not heard of the upcoming ban on the muzzleloading inlines, aka romantic kind of the modern long range weaponry, which will move the above noted eccentrics into the centrics category and provide more funds into the budget of the state's socialistic ecological wildlife funds to prevent more gun ownership and upset all those free women in charge of your wallets. anyway, have fun for a day or two, do not smoke near your pyrodex pellets, use as much as you can of saboted hornady bulets and don't drink and drive you you don;t have to. they are coming, eccentrics, i'm telling ya. i hope this helps with your question.

:rotf: :rotf:

 

[BrownBear]

Darned near dislocated my jaw when I read it.

Ever yawned and laughed at the same time? Still can't decide which is the better reaction.

 

[ameling]

The State of Iowa allows the use of a muzzle loader during the regular shotgun deer seasons. And they allow bow-hunting during the two special muzzleloading deer seasons - a "compromise" worked out to get that initial support for a separate muzzleloader season. Those bow hunters didn't want ANYTHING to INFRINGE upon THEIR several month season. So they also get to hunt during that short early muzzleloader season, and the long late season. Cartridge rifles haven't been allowed in Iowa for many many years - until the last two. There are so many deer out there that the DNR finally set up a special late season cartridge rifle season in selected southern counties in Iowa - with a fairly controled type of rifle ammunition being allowed. (So no .458, 300 magnums, etc., but you can use .45 Colt or 44-40 in a cowboy rifle)

And all for an additional fee, of course. You pay for your regular "small game" hunting license (with habitat stamp), then purchase a specific deer hunting license. But with the large amount of deer out there, you can now also purchase extra tags for many of the deer seasons - but in only selected zones.

But there are SOOOOO MANY deer out there that they really need to just go to a general deer hunting license with a daily bag limit!

Mikey - that grumpy ol' German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands

p.s. And Out-Of-State hunters get the usual economic shafting. They are the "cash cow" that the DNR wants to milk - almost at the expense of the State residents.

 

[Goldhunter]

p.s. And Out-Of-State hunters get the usual economic shafting. They are the "cash cow" that the DNR wants to milk - almost at the expense of the State residents.

Wow! Now that sounds familiar! :shake: Utah is the same way. And it's getting worse by the year, especially for our elk and our deer have seemed to be on the decline for about 10 years now.

 

[PreglerD]

Hey Mike,

who do you mean with ol' German blacksmith. Me?

Regards

Kirrmeister

 

[Goldhunter]

No, Kirrmeister. I believe he's refering to himself. He's had that sig line for a while now. :wink:

 

[Walks Alone]

...our deer have seemed to be on the decline for about 10 years now.

IMO the decline has been ever since UT first went to bucks only on regular season tags something like 35-40 years ago. Up until the mid 60's at least when you could take either sex on a tag you didn't have to draw for (IOW, everybody who wanted one could get a tag over the counter almost anywhere - sporting goods, gas stations, etc, that was good state wide - no assigned hunt units), and you could buy all the extra doe tags you wanted for $5 each UT had a truely amazing mule deer population that included a large population of trophy bucks. By the mid 70's finding a mature buck was getting very hard to do in UT, so if you wanted venison you settled for a 2-3 year old and the over abundant does winter-killed.

Back then you could hunt the regular rifle season with modern centerfire rifle or pistol, muzzleloader or archery.

 

[Goldhunter]

It has seemed really bad the last ten or so. When I started hunting big game in 1989, you could buy any of them over counter. That was when the ML hunt was still in November. (ah the good ol days!)

It's getting frustrating now with the choose hunt/region, the number of hunters are increasing, but the number of tags is declining. Our Archery hunt sold out this year. This is only the second time in the last, oh I don't know, 15 years. The first time was last year.

I guess people are being drawn to the primitive hunts more.

 

[bucktales]

Connecticut comes first to my mind. I hunt Connecticut and had asked a game warden about using a muzzleloader during the regular firearms season. He said that it would be illegal. Muzzleloaders are for muzzleloading season. He also commented that he has confiscated a few muzzleloaders from hunters who have used them in the regular firearm deer season.

I suspect the real reason is that you have to buy a separate muzzleloader season tag. For non -residents you need to buy a $67.00 hunting license and then the firearm deer tags are another $50.00. So if you want to hunt the December muzzleloader season, you need to shell out another $50.00

The only way you can use a muzzleloader during the regular firearm season is if you are a landowner and hunting your own land.

Bigbore,
I read the Ct. regs a bunch of times and saw nothing that says that. I'm not doubting what you said the CO told you, but I can't find it anywhere.
Here's one part of the regs pertaining to private land and deer calibers allowed. It says centerfire 6mm and larger is OK, but ,at least the way I saw it, doesn't that you can't use a ML during private land rifle season. I'd like to know and might have to make a few calls to find out. :hmm:

Private Land Firearms Deer Hunting
License & Permits: Firearms hunting license and Private Land Shotgun/Rifle Deer permit.
Hunting Hours: 1/2 hour before sunrise until sunset.
Legal Firearms: 12, 16, or 20 gauge breech loading shotgun loaded with single soft alloy projectile ammunition. Rifled or smoothbore barrels allowed. Shotgun must not be capable of holding more than 3 shells. Centerfire rifle 6mm (.243 caliber) or larger may be used if landholding is 10 or more acres and the landowner has authorized rifle use on the consent form. No minimum acreage required for shotguns.
Special Conditions: Tagging and Check Stations - deer must be tagged immediately upon kill, and then taken to an official check station.
Zone 4a Restriction - “Antlerless Only” tag not valid in deer management zone 4a. Only the “Either-sex” deer tag will be valid in zone 4a.
Private Land Permission - Signed written consent of the landowner on official forms (available from PDF Library) for current season must be carried while hunting.
Replacement Tags - Available for this permit type (more info).
Junior Hunter Training Day - Saturday November 15 (more info)