Question about function of a screw on barrel, under muzzle of SxS.

[Felonious]

Pedersoli 12g SxS, mfg very recently.

Does anybody know what the function (and/or technical name) of this screw is? It holds the wooden ramrod in very well, because the wood rod doesn't flex very much. However, my Track Of The Wolf delrin rod is more flexible than the wooden one, and has a tendency to flex down and under the screw, releasing the ramrod after a shot. I would much prefer to carry the delrin rod hunting.

My question is this; is that screw critical to the function of the gun, or is it there specifically to hold the ram rod in? I backed it out and it doesn't seem to connect anything, but I'm worried it holds the top rib together somehow. I'd like to back it out about an eighth of an inch and use threadlocker if possible to prevent the rod backing out of possible.

Thanks!

 

[64Springer]

Buy a longer screw.

Looks to me like the screw would project into both bores if it was used to hold the upper and lower ribs together.

 

[Lorne Johnson]

It does not connect to the upper rib, and does not hold the lower rib on (the ribs are braised).
I believe that it must be intended to check the ramrod, which it usually does. This also allows the end-user to adjust the screw as you describe, or remove it if the ramrod (probably a retrofit) is tight. The ramrod fit on my Pedersolis ( I have 4) varies, so it makes some sense.

 

[andy52]

It does not connect to the upper rib, and does not hold the lower rib on (the ribs are braised).
I believe that it must be intended to check the ramrod, which it usually does. This also allows the end-user to adjust the screw as you describe, or remove it if the ramrod (probably a retrofit) is tight. The ramrod fit on my Pedersolis ( I have 4) varies, so it makes some sense.

Correct but there's a spring clip that goes on first.

 

[Sparkitoff]

It is just to keep the ramrod in place. You can remove it altogether, or you can add a small washer if you want it to stick out a little more. A longer screw is an option, the threaded channel does end at a solid wall.

 

[64Springer]

OP.

If there's enough screw to back it out a touch, Loc-Tite 222 Purple is the cat's meow.

No gun owner should be without it.

Designed to hold small screws in place and still be able to remove them easily without heat or damage to the screw and screwdriver.

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

It keeps the ramrod in place. With a single shot gun, it isn't a major problem if the ramrod comes out beyond the muzzle under recoil, but with a side x side shotgun or even a double rifle SXS, it's a different kettle of fish. The second shot is apt to catch the end of the ramrod and launch it down range and/or disrupt the shot pattern or bullet placement. You see them more on SXS shotguns than rifles.

 

[Felonious]

Thank you guys for the advice. I'll back it out and see how long it is, and either get a new screw, or use loctite.

A little brass post might look nice too... Perhaps a brass washer.

Does anybody know what size that screw is off the top of their head? I'll check it in a little bit either way, but it'd be nice to confirm that I'm correct, I've been known to mismeasure thread pitches before.

 

[Lorne Johnson]

Correct but there's a spring clip that goes on first.

None of mine have a spring clip, although it sounds like a good idea! The parts list and blow-up do not show either the screw or a spring clip, which is interesting.

 

[Flint Striker]

If you’re familiar with the small brass hooks used to hang a picture frame on a wall, maybe one could be trimmed and fit up with that screw to hold the more flexible ramrod.

 

[Britsmoothy]

It keeps the ramrod in place. With a single shot gun, it isn't a major problem if the ramrod comes out beyond the muzzle under recoil, but with a side x side shotgun or even a double rifle SXS, it's a different kettle of fish. The second shot is apt to catch the end of the ramrod and launch it down range and/or disrupt the shot pattern or bullet placement. You see them more on SXS shotguns than rifles.

I have had the rammer on many sxs go forward on the first shot but never have they done as you suggest.
How many times has this happened to you?

 

[Felonious]

None of mine have a spring clip, although it sounds like a good idea! The parts list and blow-up do not show either the screw or a spring clip, which is interesting.

I don't believe mine has a spring clip of any kind either. I could be wrong, I'm still learning.

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

I have had the rammer on many sxs go forward on the first shot but never have they done as you suggest.
How many times has this happened to you?

Never that I've noticed, but all the SxS guns I've shot had the stop screw... which worked as it was supposed to. Don't own a SXS as of yet, though I am drooling over a Pedersoli flintlock double rifle that Dixie has in stock. Can't fathom any other reason for that type of screw to be there though. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean it won't some day with a heavy charge. Engineers put all kinds of things in the stuff they design for a "just in case" scenario... but then there are people like the ones who designed the Ford Pinto. I'd prefer caution be the watchword.

Does your gun have that stop screw? If so, did the ramrod jump over it?

What kind of gun do you have? How do you like it? I didn't really like the ones I shot... which were 12 gauge shotguns marketed by CVA, if I recall correctly. Been a few years. I'm sorta hoping the double rifle will be more to my liking. At nearly $2,000.00, it BETTER be!

 

[Phil Coffins]

As the others have said it’s there to catch the ramrod during recoil. It need not be large or complex to do this. This is how I make them and it’s effective.
IMG_0285 by Oliver Sudden, on Flickr

 

[ZUG]

I have 3 Pedersoli and one Navy Arms SXS and none of them have that screw. Did you buy this SXS used? If so, then the previous owner may have done the modification. As already mentioned, you can make a small flat spring with a hump and place it under the screw head (drill a hole in the flat part of the spring) so that the hump will apply pressure to the underside of the ram rod. If that's too much work for you then get a longer screw.

 

[pacanis]

I just looked and my Navy Arms Pietta Coachgun and it does not have a screw in the rib.
It does need something, but there's not a lot of flex in the ramrod.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Never that I've noticed, but all the SxS guns I've shot had the stop screw... which worked as it was supposed to. Don't own a SXS as of yet, though I am drooling over a Pedersoli flintlock double rifle that Dixie has in stock. Can't fathom any other reason for that type of screw to be there though. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean it won't some day with a heavy charge. Engineers put all kinds of things in the stuff they design for a "just in case" scenario... but then there are people like the ones who designed the Ford Pinto. I'd prefer caution be the watchword.

Does your gun have that stop screw? If so, did the ramrod jump over it?

What kind of gun do you have? How do you like it? I didn't really like the ones I shot... which were 12 gauge shotguns marketed by CVA, if I recall correctly. Been a few years. I'm sorta hoping the double rifle will be more to my liking. At nearly $2,000.00, it BETTER be!

The only Pedersoli sxs that had that screw were on the two 10g I've owned. The standard 12g don't. The rammer does creep forward on the 12g's but does not get struck by the second shot.
No need to worry about it.
In the past I have glued some leather in the stock channel to grip the rammer a little.
Bellow is the 10g.

 

[azmntman]

That gun looks abused as it....as if....No you wouldnt have

used 4f?


LOLOLOLOL happy Friday gents

 

[Britsmoothy]

That gun looks abused as it....as if....No you wouldnt have

used 4f?


LOLOLOLOL happy Friday gents

I use 90gn of fine grade which comes out a mix of 4&3f. Usually with 2oz on top.
About 70g with 1&1/2oz.

 

[Felonious]

I have 3 Pedersoli and one Navy Arms SXS and none of them have that screw. Did you buy this SXS used? If so, then the previous owner may have done the modification. As already mentioned, you can make a small flat spring with a hump and place it under the screw head (drill a hole in the flat part of the spring) so that the hump will apply pressure to the underside of the ram rod. If that's too much work for you then get a longer screw.

I bought it as a new kit from Dixie a few months ago, it was there from the factory.

Do you have a photo or diagram example of the spring "hump" you're referring to? I'm having trouble picturing it in my head.

It's only an issue with the more flexible Delrin nylon rod, the wood one stays tight and secure, it rarely even touches the screw.