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Range Report: 9/16" Marbles in .58cal - Shockingly Accurate!

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Shot a 50 shot range session today with a .58cal Flintlock using 9/16” marbles and the results were simply outstanding!!!

The diameter of the 9/16” marbles had some variance so I sorted them into two groups of .56x and .57x in the thinking I’d be able to standardize on a couple different patch thicknesses but after various tests I finally just settled on .022” and finished the rest of the session with them.

Using 50grn Goex 3F and 4 different patch thicknesses of .015”/.018”/.020”/.022”, I put all 50 shots into the target below and as the patch thickness got progressively thicker, the more accurate the load became”¦I shot all of them at 25 yards while sitting in a small chair with my off elbow braced down on my side, so I’m sure bench rest results would be even better.

As luck would have it, the 9/16”x 65grn marbles just happen to fall into the .56x - .57x range, making it almost a perfect size match to the round balls normally used in a .58cal and the accuracy is just an incredible surprise.

So if we even get to the point where lead becomes some sort of issue, there’s no question that at least for the .58cal, a common everyday 9/16” marble is an extremely low cost, very accurate, off the shelf alternative practice ball. In fact, if you just want to go make smoke with a .58cal right now, and just have very cheap fun punching holes in paper or shooting coke cans, etc. at 25yds”¦just get a bag of 9/16” marbles, throttle your powder charge back to about 50grns and enjoy”¦50 of these cost $1 dollar”¦compared to 50 Hornady / Speer lead balls at $8-10 dollars.

PS: If anyone decides to try this for themselves, if you have time see what they’ll do at 50 yards”¦I’d think that their relatively light weight might start to become an issue at 50yds with only 50grns Goex 3F pushing them so you might have to jack it up to 70grns keep it under a full head of steam to that distance.

(EDIT: I see I wrote 40grns on the paper plate but it was 50grns)

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Now that's just gotta be fun! I imagine the recoil was heavy too. :grin:

I guess this means I'll have to get myself a .58... darn the luck.
 
Mountainman56 said:
Now that's just gotta be fun! I imagine the recoil was heavy too. :grin:
I guess this means I'll have to get myself a .58... darn the luck.

Lack of recoil would sure make it nice to introduce a youngster...and yeah, call GM...they have those .58cal barrels stacked up waiting for you
:grin:
 
If glass marbles will shoot a group like that, then I'd think that even very hard lead patched round balls would do at least as well.
 
29caliber said:
If glass marbles will shoot a group like that, then I'd think that even very hard lead patched round balls would do at least as well.
Agree, and the results of these hard glass uncompressable marbles should put to rest once and for all the old claim that patched round lead balls expand into the grooves at set back time...I've never seen a rifling mark on any lead ball I've ever recovered whether from jugs of water, a dirt bank, or a deer...patched balls simply ride down the bore on the lands like a train rides down the steel rails of a train track. The only thing that goes into the grooves is the patch material which transfers rifling rotation to the ball thats inside the patch.

Further support for your comment is that 'mountainman56' just finished a test with a few steel ball bearings and put them all into a 2" group at 50yds...
 
Based on your expierments Roundball I'm thinking wheelweights would be a good target round. I know this has been discussed before but for the cost of lead and ease of getting the weights...
 
Desert Rat said:
Based on your expierments Roundball I'm thinking wheelweights would be a good target round. I know this has been discussed before but for the cost of lead and ease of getting the weights...
I'd agree...think I remember something about lead alloys cooling a little larger than normal, may force a patch change but that's not the end of the world
 
BrownBear said:
Gotta search a little more for the right sizes, but I think I found just the right marbles for you roundball.

Punch here.
Yeah, I've seen that one...Google brings up a lot of marble manufacturers with a lot of different prices...apparently the clear glass ones are the simplest to make, subsequently the cheapest.

In the smaller sizes, the marble industry seems to have standardized on “even mm” sizes like 10mm/12mm/14mm/16mm because they're all competing to make marbles for the same various board games that kids use, or decorative arrangements in someone's house.

The 12mm are a little small for the .50cal but will work with really thick patches;

The 14mm happen to fit perfectly for the .58cal;

The 16mm I bought measure .620” - .640” so they’re too big for the .62cal.

Need to find 13mm for the .54cal, and 15mm for the .62 cal.

So far, haven’t found anybody who makes a 13mm, and the only hit I get on 15mm is a company in Japan...suspect international shipping would make them cost prohibitive.

I’m emailing various marble companies customer service to see if THEY can source 13mm & 15mm sizes...if I get any positive hits I'll post.

This all seems odd of course to be looking into marbles for muzzleloaders...but at least in the case of the .58cal where they are such a perfect fit, 50 marbles cost me $1.00 instead of $10.00 worth of Hornadys...the savings literally covers the cost of gas for the round trip.
 
Keep us posted on what you learn for 54 cal. With the price of lead up here, marbles look especially good.

I came across and interesting account in a bigraphy of Dan Boone I was reading last night. He was reknowned for his shooting and often won matches. Yeah, some of the shoots were for beef, but in others the prize was the right to recover all the lead from the backstop and surrounding area. That's not sounding like such a novel idea any more, is it?

Heck, it would stir me to sign up for a match today, and I don't think we've seen the peak of lead prices yet. We're already designing a portable bullet trap to take to the range with us.
 
Roundball, I was thinking the 12mm marbles would work for .54 cal but on reading your post saying they would be a little small, I did the math: 12mm = .472, a bit smaller than I had thought. 12.4mm = .490", but that would be a stretch to try to find some marbles in that exact size. Guess I'll have to do a search one of these days....Emery
 
Sure brings a new meaning to the phrase I used years ago as a young boy..."Wanna shoot some marbles?"
 
29caliber said:
Sure brings a new meaning to the phrase I used years ago as a young boy..."Wanna shoot some marbles?"
:grin:
What's the old saying: "Necessity is the mother of invention"...I know its totally unconventional but if enough of us get thinking outside the box on this, we'll come up with other ideas as well...just wish I could find another size or two that are as perfect a macth as the 9/16" is for the .58cal...
 
410-er said:
Wonder what these would do?

rubber balls

I've been googling up various rubber ball searches...problem has been finding the right sizes...maybe you could help and become the "rubber ball alternative" guy :grin:
 
Sure brings a new meaning to the phrase I used years ago as a young boy..."Wanna shoot some marbles?"
Or something about "shooting cat-eyes"!

Really, that's some useful info. and cheap ammo. I kept coming up with ball bearings and wheel weights. You're right, think outside the box. Pretty cool!
 
Well guys, all of this glass marble talk has me thinking about a new business opportunity. I've contacted a group of glass blowers in India and have worked out a deal to import the first glass conicals within the next few months.

I'm accepting early orders now from Forum members who want to get the best introductory prices.

A picture of the prototype of Semisane's Glass Conicals is shown below:
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Conical is great but how would it grab the rifling? Would you patch it?

I think we could find some marbles for 50cal to.
 
Conical is great but how would it grab the rifling? Would you patch it?

Wasn't going to reveal that until the patent application is filed. It's a proprietary process - each conical comes with two 1/4" wide rubber bands that go around the skirt and driving band.
 

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