Range Report: "Marbles" as lead alternative for practice balls

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Test Report ”“ “Marbles” as lead alternative practice balls

Shot a 50 shot range session today with a .50cal Flintlock and took along a handful of half inch marbles I’d bought to begin some testing just to see if they’d even work at all. The marbles were actually smaller than a half inch, averaging in the .47x range, and appeared to be some sort of acrylic instead of glass”¦they were very light and unbreakable”¦I’d throw them against the concrete floor as hard as I could and they’d just bounce all the way up and hit the 8’ tin roof.

When I got done with the main session I cleaned the bore, set up a target at only 20yds and used light 40grn charges of Goex 3F. I used some .022” pillow ticking I had but they still thumb started pretty easy, however, just shooting while sitting in a chair they still grouped around 2.0” - 2.5””¦surprising for lightweight marbles with diameter variations and a loose patch / ball fit. I shot the last few using a double patch of .015” & .010” for .025” total and they required a little effort with a short starter then and tightened the group up a tad.

Bottom line is that if lead should ever become so expensive it’s prohibitive to shoot every weekend year round, or be banned outright like lead has been for waterfowl, resulting in outrageously expensive non-toxics, there are alternatives out there that could be made to work in a pinch just for playing at the range on weekends, then rezero the rifle for hunting with the expensive stuff, etc. I’m going to try to Google up some actual glass marbles if they're still made of glass today, as I assume they’d be heavier than these I used today.
 
Thanks for your report on this. I have been looking forward to your report on how the marbles worked out. I still have to try that bucket of steele bearings I have.

Like you said.....I would think that glass would be better than plastic and the steel bearings, if they are the right size should be better yet. The only problem is I am sure the steel would not be available for a reasonable price!
 
Remember those old toy kentucky rifles that you could shoot a cork ball out of with a green sticky cap? We used to put a firecracker down the barrel with the fuse sticking out the vent hole, load a marble down it and light the fuse.You'd get a good 25 yards outa it with pretty good velocity. We never thought of patching the marble-probably woulda got better accuracy!
 
:thumbsup: Might be kinda handy on rabbits and squirrels. I have a few .435 bearings I think are going to get tried in my .45 Kentucky.
 
I would guess that patching the steel ball would protect the rifling. :hmm: the teflon used to protect barrels from hard metal bullets for armour piercing is very thin. graybeard
 
Mountainman56 said:
:thumbsup: Might be kinda handy on rabbits and squirrels. I have a few .435 bearings I think are going to get tried in my .45 Kentucky.
That should be a very good size...should let you use a good thick patch
 
Just dug out the bag that the marbles came in and it says right on the label: 12mm Glass Marbles

How in the world would a glass marble not break from being thrown on a concrete floor so hard it bounced up past me and hit the 8ft tin roof above my head... :shake: ...any "marble experts" out there?
 
Isn't it a shame that such a thing even has to be considered. It's the drive to disarm the populace, not the lead. All that "harmful" baloney that preceeded the federal lead shot ban for migratory birds has pretty much been disproven along with the backstop lead contamination scare. WONKY
 
410-er said:
Roundball,do you know what the weight of the marbles were?
Step 2.........Penetration test!
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They're very light...don't imagine they'd be too effective on game...but could be a cheap plinker round if lead becomes an issue.

The 12mm (1/2") weigh 35grns (use in .50cal)
The 14mm (9/16") weigh 65grns (use in .58cal)
 
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We discovered the universal marble early on when balls were hard to find in odd sizes. Some of those early "Tower" horse pistols would shoot a "shooter" size marble and turn them to dust against concrete walls! Wee!
 
Wes/Tex said:
We discovered the universal marble early on when balls were hard to find in odd sizes. Some of those early "Tower" horse pistols would shoot a "shooter" size marble and turn them to dust against concrete walls! Wee!
I think think this batch I got for the .50cal are some sort of blend...they're labeled glass but no way they can be pure glass.

If I can get up the motivation, I'm going back to the range today with some 9/16" marbles to try in my .58cal.
They should be an even better fit for the .58cal than the .475's were in the .50cal because they measure .562". (weigh 65grns)

I normally use .018" patches with .570's, so my .022" pillow ticking with .562's should result in about the same snug fit...we'll see.
The good news is I rarely ever shoot my .58cal because of the cost of the big lead balls, and it'll be a hoot if these things end up working really well.
 
Be very careful when shooting ball bearings. Those things can riccochet and come back at you with almost as much velocity as they started with. Not only very dangerous to you but everyone else as well from that stand-point. Food for thought. :hmm:
 
Hey Roundball,

This marble thing is a great idea for plinkin'. I don't know anything about them, but it sounds interesting. Have you come accross any that would be suitable for a .75 cal. Brown Bess? .690"-725" range might work. Those big lead punkin' size balls are expensive.
 
Marbles in a ML, Uh-Huh, you didn't by any chance lose a few of then in the process did ya pard?....(VBG)
 
Roundball, what did your patches look like? Were they wonderlubed?

The reason I'm asking is I'd be concerned shooting glass for the same reason some others have mentioned shooting steel bearings, could hurt the barrel.

Anyway, great post and as always you are a great source of ML knowledge/information :hatsoff:
 
Ya know, if you could get enough powder in that thing to get yer velocity up to about 4000 fps, youde be gettin about the same kinetic energy as shootin a lead ball at reglar speed.......... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
 
Mad Professor said:
Roundball, what did your patches look like? Were they wonderlubed?

The reason I'm asking is I'd be concerned shooting glass for the same reason some others have mentioned shooting steel bearings, could hurt the barrel.

Anyway, great post and as always you are a great source of ML knowledge/information :hatsoff:
Patches were perfect...could have picked them up and used them again immediately
 
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