jamesthomas
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Just FYI for everyone, I would check your States hunting regulations carefully, In Alabama you are limited to a SINGLE round ball for deer, .40 caliber an above.
rodwha said:I didn't mean for the second set of info to taken as collective, but individual.
Each ball is moving much slower which seems to equate to less deformation and/or less penetration, but gives two wounds.
At the extreme I see where a single ball has enough to penetrate completely and expand some, but a dual ball load wouldn't completely pass through and may not deform, but gives two deep wounds that likely still go through the vitals.
I can see how this would make a good bear load back in the day.
Agree, keyboard theory is just that, and is why I like to run my own tests first hand...if it's not real-world, it's not real, LOL.Britsmoothy said:My experience with soft lead balls has demonstrated how they make reluctant projectiles for deep penertration. In fact drive them faster and they just want to flatten out more not drive deeper....the only real way to get them to go deeper is to increase their mass/size or cast them harder.
It just so happens the quarry is not that wide and balls make a good job of it. Jibber jabber arond numbers makes one think a ball is inadequate when in fact the real world demonstrates perfect performance across a wide range of velocities and size balls with next to no standardization at all. B.
Thankyou rodwah....I find that how gunwriters wright we will soon be using 50bmg for rabbit!rodwha said:I'm certainly not saying a double ball load won't or cannot completely penetrate. Those numbers suggest to me that both balls would likely do so out to maybe 75 yds or so. I was looking at this from an extreme perspective, maybe what might happen at a longer range such as 100 yds.
But that can possibly be equated to a much larger critter at a closer range. Maybe those .45 cal balls wouldn't completely passthrough a huge black bear.
It is certainly all speculation on my part, and I have no experience of my own.
I certainly don't doubt the RBs ability to cleanly take an animal. Quite the contrary, because of the many folks here who have given plenty of evidence of not only quick kills, but complete passthroughs of medium, and even large game, I have come to trust the PRB as an effective hunting projectile.
Before having come to this sight and read as much, and asked as many questions, I thought, from my modern understanding of projectiles, and what these modern experts have been stating for quite some time, which is heavy bullets with certain qualities is necessary, that a conical or modern projectile were necessary if I were to hunt beyond maybe 50 yds with my .50 cal Lyman's.
Thankfully the many kind fellows here have shown me that these little lead balls can actually perform much better than one might think.
"At the extreme I see where a single ball has enough to penetrate completely and expand some, but a dual ball load wouldn't completely pass through and may not deform, but gives two deep wounds that likely still go through the vitals.
I can see how this would make a good bear load back in the day."
roundball said:If you experiment a few double loads with your .58cal, start a thread about how it turned out.
Haven't been interested enough to haul all the stuff up to do it yet...now that I've at least learned what I have about the load, the POI, and the accuracy, I'll probably get around to it on a trip when I'm taking the .45 again for general practice and have the time...not an urgent thing for me to know...besides, with the large vents I use my velocities seem to average 100fps slower than most others so it wouldn't be very precise to other people.makeumsmoke said:Roundball! I'm perplexed??? why not chrono them your self? :hmm:
Herb seemed to have no problems in the thread that I linked to in my previous post, and they seem to work in measuring buckshot and birdshot loads.rodwha said:I'm actually curious if the chronograph will work properly when two projectiles get registered.
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