Remington cylinder pin

[Columbus]

For those of you who shoot this model (1858) what do you use for lube on the cylinder pin? I just bought two of them (new) and the only experience I have is from one I owned over 40 years ago and it seemed no matter what I lubed that pin with I invariably had to beat it out of the frame to get the cylinder out or just throw the whole gun in the sink and let it soak. That soured me on that model and I have owned nothing but Colt clones until now.

 

[Enfield58]

For those of you who shoot this model (1858) what do you use for lube on the cylinder pin? I just bought two of them (new) and the only experience I have is from one I owned over 40 years ago and it seemed no matter what I lubed that pin with I invariably had to beat it out of the frame to get the cylinder out or just throw the whole gun in the sink and let it soak. That soured me on that model and I have owned nothing but Colt clones until now.

I use white lithium grease.

That helped but do what I did and you can shoot all day long. Follow Blackie’s instructions to the letter and still use the lithium grease.

You will be glad that you did.

 

[hawkeye2]

My wife and I shoot Remingtons and don't use anything on the pin except for spraying the pin and cylinder hole with silicone when assembling after cleaning. We load the cylinders in a press so it's taken out every 6 shots but have never had one that couldn't be taken out with a thumb and forefinger. I have taken to running a wet patch through the cylinder before reloading lately but it hasn't made any difference

 

[FishDFly]

Huh, I am not sure who Blackie is, I do not look at video's of folks who I do not know nor who need to wear camo to make them.

At any rate I have been using 3 in 1 for years and have not had any problems in sanctioned matches.

Lithium is too thick .

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Huh, I am not sure who Blackie is, I do not look at video's of folks who I do not know nor who need to wear camo to make them.

At any rate I have been using 3 in 1 for years and have not had any problems in sanctioned matches.

Lithium is too thick .

You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’d bet dimes to donuts Blackie knows more than what you think you do about these guns.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

I use white lithium grease.

That helped but do what I did and you can shoot all day long. Follow Blackie’s instructions to the letter and still use the lithium grease.

You will be glad that you did.

I did the mod and it works extremely well. Blackie Thomas is a true woodsman, and quite frankly he knows what he’s talking about.

 

[FishDFly]

You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’d bet dimes to donuts Blackie knows more than what you think you do about these guns.

I have shoot BP longer than you are old, have not seen you at any NMLRA shoots.

What is your NMLRA pistol ranking in Friendship??

 

[Gee Dog]

FishDfly, old boy - You sound as if you think you’re some pretty hot stuff. Steady-on now and regard thy self.

It’s difficult to imagine anything worse to use on the cylinder pin / arbor than 3in1. Please don’t ask exactly how I know but I learned that in about 1967. I’ve been using white lithium grease (Lubriplate or Permatex) for a long time and am convinced it’s the best lube for the job. Good for action parts, too.

Blackie Thomas knows some serious things and he is neither arrogant nor defensive, just informed.

(He doesn't do so well at reinstalling Remington mainsprings but other than that he's a wealth of information.)

 

[FishDFly]

Your place on the wall at State and National shoots is what matters, time to move on.

Have not seen Blackie on the wall in Friendship or you.

You cannot wipe out stupid, but you can numb it is with a 2X4.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

Your place on the wall at State and National shoots is what matters, time to move on.

Have not seen Blackie on the wall in Friendship or you.

You cannot wipe out stupid, but you can numb it is with a 2X4.

Wow, I bet you’re so fun at parties!

 

[Gee Dog]

Cowboy LARP’ing aside, how many consecutive shots with an open-top or 58 Remington do you usually get with 3in1 on the arbor? I got 18 once as a kid and then ... full bind shutdown.

 

[FishDFly]

Cowboy LARP’ing aside, how many consecutive shots with an open-top or 58 Remington do you usually get with 3in1 on the arbor? I got 18 once as a kid and then ... full bind shutdown.

I shoot the 25 yard match (10) shots, 13 shot match at 25 yards, 10 shot Limited Time Fire at 25 yards and 50 yard match (10 shots), with no cleaning of the arbor. That is 43 shoots for a complete revolver match in NMLRA sanctioned match.

 

[Columbus]

Your place on the wall at State and National shoots is what matters, time to move on.

Have not seen Blackie on the wall in Friendship or you.

You cannot wipe out stupid, but you can numb it is with a 2X4.

Wow, and here I thought arrogance and inflated self importance was limited to Trap shooters.

 

[Columbus]

I shoot the 25 yard match (10) shots, 13 shot match at 25 yards, 10 shot Limited Time Fire at 25 yards and 50 yard match (10 shots), with no cleaning of the arbor. That is 43 shoots for a complete revolver match in NMLRA sanctioned match.

And this is all done with a Remington, using 3 in 1 oil, with no lube added between start and finish?

 

[ppg1949]

I've been shooting Colts and Rems since I started back in the mid 70's and have always used 3 in 1. My buddy that got me started in BP instructed me to use it. He told me not use gun grease because it gummed up. We used what was available and 3 in 1 worked. Like Gee Dog, my best string was 3 cylinders in a row with a Rogers & Spencer. Blackie has good informative videos and the one I've watched seemed good.

 

[FishDFly]

Wow, and here I thought arrogance and inflated self importance was limited to Trap shooters.

I went to Phoenix the 1ST time with what I learned from here and 3 pistols. I struggled, a fellow came down and said you do not have a clue what you are doing. He gave me a lesson, loaned me what I needed and what I needed to know. He turned around and walked off and I stopped him and asked, where do I find you? He said come to Trap range and left. I made the board in my first national shoot.

I have worked hard and climbed the leader board, with a lot of help from folks in Phoenix and Friendship.

I asked a High Master where do I go to learn to shoot pistols and he provide the start of guidance and as I worked, others took me under their guidance.

My wife has allowed to chase a dream to be able to shoot at the state and national level.

It is not arrogance, it is pure hard work and shooting each day to get there.

I shoot and do not type each day.

 

[Enfield58]

Your place on the wall at State and National shoots is what matters, time to move on.

Have not seen Blackie on the wall in Friendship or you.

You cannot wipe out stupid, but you can numb it is with a 2X4.

Wow, I bet you’re so fun at parties!

 

[Gee Dog]

Using Lubriplate 630 AA on the arbor/cylinder pin and a bee’s wax olive oil lube under the ball or conical I can expect up to 75 shots without cylinder binding. Sure, by then the bore is dirty with soft fowling but the cylinder still spins. I avoid petroleum based lubricants on the pin.

 

[Columbus]

Using Lubriplate 630 AA on the arbor/cylinder pin and a bee’s wax olive oil lube under the ball or conical I can expect up to 75 shots without cylinder binding. Sure, by then the bore is dirty with soft fowling but the cylinder still spins. I avoid petroleum based lubricants on the pin.

Ok, I'm confused.....wax and olive oil UNDER the ball? How?

 

[Gee Dog]

My usual method is a dry felt wad (Durafelt) over powder. Then some lube over the wad (under the ball). Cards punched from half-gallon milk containers are impermeable to oil so I use those too sometimes, instead of a felt wad. Another method is a milk container card over powder then a well lubed felt wad. If one intends to shoot immediately you can put 5/6 grains of corn meal or COW over the powder and then put in some lube. Veg fiber cards work good too. I tend to vary these methods cause they all work well and it’s fun. There must be a hundred ways to correctly load up a C&B but for max shots the lube needs to be under the ball or conical. I never, ever use a petroleum based lubricant on the cylinder pin.

Some of us use Black MZ quite often and just skip the lube. You won’t get as many shots before binding but it still works real well for extended shooting..